The Truth About (Anti-)Family Courts

 

Brendan/Novaseeker wrote a series of comments explaining exactly how (anti-)family courts work:

By the way, if anyone reading thinks that John’s story quoted in the post is atypical or odd for the US, you’re quite wrong.

Be aware that, in many US states at least:

(1) Your spouse can clean out the bank accounts (and in many cases the movable assets) without any real accounting at the time of the finalization of the divorce, because you weren’t separated at the time of said cleaning out, and the cash, which was a marital asset at the time, has now simply been consumed, as in “poof, there it goes”. This is why so many people do it, by the way. Feel vindicated and that the judge will view this poorly? Guess again (unless you’re the guy, of course).

(2) Once your spouse leaves with the kids, or you are removed by your spouse from the spouse and the kids, your likelihood of getting custody is quite small, because a temporary custody order will generally come into effect (if she is being advised properly), and the final custody determination, which typically comes quite some time later, gives heavy weight to this “de facto” custody situation — in effect, the way the system works is that in everything other than outlier cases, you lose custody almost immediately upon separation, and even though this is “temporary”, technically, de facto it generally becomes permanent.

(3) If the situation described in (2) happens, you’re very unlikely to get the house, either. The house normally goes to the parent with the custody. In some states, the court will make that spouse “buy out” the other spouse’s portion of the equity value of the property by selling or refinancing, but in situations where there are significantly unequal incomes, the asset distribution can be quite unequal, too (in favor of the lower income spouse), resulting in this simply not being distributed, or being greatly reduced.

(4) Your ability to enforce visitation “rights” is almost nil in most places. Technically, your spouse is violating the law by violating the court’s decree, but other than issuing a new decree reiterating , the visitation order, courts generally won’t do much else to enforce these. They almost never are willing to accept this as a basis to revise the custody order, either. In fact, custody orders are very hard to revise under almost any circumstances, barring a truly awful situation involving the custodial parent — it’s more likely that the kids get referred to CPS than that your custody order gets revised, to be honest. So, your ability to see your kids depends largely on the goodwill of the custodial parent. If you find yourself in this situation, and she is of relative goodwill, maintaining this is the best option, if you want to see your kids regularly. If you have a war-like relationship with your ex, your likelihood of having regular visitation decreases, as she has incentives to block and no real enforcement. Once a lover/boyfriend/second husband comes into the picture, it complicates things even further around visitation, because you start to have a step-Dad in the picture who spends more time with your kids than you do, and has more of an influence on them than you do, whether he actively does that or not. Also, keep in mind that quite a few states won’t prevent a custodial parent from moving very far away with your kids simply on the basis of a visitation order — in these states you’ll be expected to lump it and figure it out, or move yourself to where your kids now live if you want to see them more often (but don’t expect your support obligations to go down if your new job pays less).

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The system is not “wrong” or “in need of reform”. The system is simply evil. It’s evil to the core. It calls into question the legitimacy of our entire system of government, full stop, when home, assets, children can all be spirited away in a thoroughly unconstitutional way, just because. It’s a deeply evil system and a stain on the national character. Truly, the entire system needs a fundamental, systemic re-think, rather than a piecemeal reform. But, in the meantime, piecemeal is all that’s available, and it’s better than nothing.

I added the bold.  Some of you might be thinking that there’s a private solution with the right contracts or prenups where you can create something that avoids this, but you would be wrong:

It’s worth a try. The main problem is that the family law courts in most states don’t take kindly to people trying to “privatize” family law, because in effect this divests (or is an attempt to divest) the family courts of their power to decide what is best under the circumstances. In the US, family courts are courts of equity and not courts of law, meaning that, unlike courts of law, they won’t enforce a contract just because it was validly entered into if they think the result of enforcing it would be inequitable. So any contractual attempt is worth a try — it isn’t per se invalid. But at the same time, the family law courts of equity won’t simply enforce it like they would any other validly contracted agreement – they look to the result, and work back from there, often, rather than a court of law, which starts from the premise of freedom of contract and the enforcement against you of a bad deal you may have freely made (absent fraud in the inducement, duress, unconscionability and so on) –> whereas an equity court looks to see whether that would be equitable as a result, even if there was no fraud or duress and so on. So, worth a try, but not ironclad.

The anti-family courts will not allow themselves to be divested of their power by prenups and other contracts.  If you get married this is the system you are under.  There is no going back to the old system (except by going expat) because the old system is dead and can’t be recreated by contractual means.  If you think this is bad, it gets worse, much worse:

Baskervile’s book describes cases of men being ordered by courts to avoid any writing anything about their opinions about their divorces under penalty of jail. No constitutional remedy, because our candy-ass federal courts refuse to enforce the constitution in state family courts.

So has anyone tried to force the issue with constitutional challenges in federal courts?  Yes, but it hasn’t worked because those courts always refuse to hear the case:

Trouble is, it’s been tried (on other issues) — that is, to involve the federal courts in enforcing the constitution in state equity family courts. They don’t bite. The federal courts just won’t get involved in family law matters unless they are dealing with something like racial discrimination or, today, gay marriage. They take the view that the state law courts of equity dealing with “routine” family law disputes don’t rise to the level of having constitutional implications, more or less. It’s not like this hasn’t been tried, believe me.

In fact family law judges are so brazen now, they openly talk about how they don’t need to worry about the consitution:

Indeed, if you read Baskerville’s book (every man should read it really), you’ll see where family law judged have, in training seminars/meetings with new FLJs, explicitly stated that they do not need to worry about the constitution. It’s openly admitted.

You have no constitutional rights w/r/t: your home, your kids, your assets, in the context of a divorce. The Constitution just does not apply, because these things “aren’t important enough”.

Doesn’t this mean you should marry a traditional (Christian) woman who wants to be a stay at home mother?  Not only is the divorce rate inside the church is as high as outside the church, but when such a woman divorces you, you will be worse off:

The way that the system is set up currently actively punishes men who make this decision. As bad as it can be for other guys, the guys who get it the level absolute worst in divorces are the guys who have SAHMs for wives. If you have a SAHM and get divorced, you’re in for one hell of an ass-fucking by the courts financially. Asset division will be skewed in her favor (considered “equitable” because she has lower earning capacity to replace these in the future) and alimony will be high and long in many states — and don’t even think about fighting a SAHM to take away her sole custody unless she’s a drug addict. This is the hi/lo bet for guys who the have “traditional Chistian” marriages. If it doesn’t work, you’re fucked even worse than the guys who married the career feminists are, because if you have nearly equal incomes, things like asset division are more likely to be closer to equal, and alimony is in most states out of the picture.

If you want to get married, you have to expat out of the West.  There are no other options.  The only way to opt out of (anti-)family courts is by never getting married.  In the near future, this will likely also mean no cohabitation.  When marriage rates drop enough, the (anti-)family courts will start going after unmarried couples who live together.

We hear a lot about how the patriot act or the drug war, is an assault on our freedom.  Even if we assume that’s the case with either of those things (and it’s not clear that they are), they are nothing compared to how (anti-)family courts have completely destroyed our freedom.  They have created a feminist police state within the US and other Western countries, and those police states are expanding to the point where eventually the US and other Western countries will completely be feminist police states.

After reading this you should be angry at a lot of people.  One group you should be angry at are the marriage pushers in this part of the internet.  Since they have come here, they should already know this.  That means they’re pushing marriage knowing full well the evil they are promoting.  You should treat those people as enemies of freedom and agents of the feminist police state because that is effectively what they are.  Marriage pushers outside of this part of the internet should probably be treated in the exact same way.

If you want to know more about the reality of (anti-)family courts, then Brendan recommends reading Stephen Baskerville’s book, “Taken Into Custody”.

Please link to this page as much as possible in as many places as possible.  Brendan’s comments succinctly get to just how bad (anti-)family courts have gotten.  Men need to know this.

  9 Responses to “The Truth About (Anti-)Family Courts”

  1. the marriage pushers are similar to the war pushers. Doesn’t matter if its stupid, irrational, or even dangerous, as long as men “man up”, and do their duty.

  2. the marriage pushers, whether parents, relatives, church, or co-workers should show good faith, and insure / indemnify the man they are pushing to marry for the risk divorce and automatic mother custody / child support. For the middle class, this might be $250k of asset division, and another $250k of child support. If the man’s status and social skills are such that he can only pull a 33 year old instead of a 23 year old, then they should also insure against Down’s, and other very expensive health conditions associated with ageing mothers. That could easily be another $500k.

  3. I highly recommend Stephen Baskerville’s book, “Taken Into Custody”, to all men. It documents very well all of the major issues surrounding the family court system in the US in quite good detail, and is a kind of unique resource because of that.

  4. If abyone thinks that the USA is uniqe in the western world with the issues raised about family courts, then please read the comments by Christopher Booker in the Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/) on the abuse perpetrated by social workers aided and abetted by family courts in the UK.

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  6. I’m a victim of Family Court too. There’s a lot of us out there. It’s tyranny pure and simple. The America we knew is gone and this horrible slave state is all that’s left. You can read my story on my blog http://www.thejoyoffamilycourt.com.
    I’m just getting started and I’m not yet sure how to cross link but I’ll be finding out and adding this page.
    Dave

  7. “Men would do well to remember that the vast majority of life and liberty can be preserved by the choice to Go Your Own Way. Reject marriage. Reject the military. Reject corporate slavery. Reject chivalry. Reject group consensus on who and what you should be as a man. And reject ANYONE, including your family, who tries to coerce you out of those choices. Do all that, and you have a reasonable shot at a free, happy life. Never forget it is your choice and your responsibility.

    There are no victims, just volunteers”. –Paul Elam AVFM

    • The problem is that it is usually too late. You have already been damaged before you realise it is time to go your own way.

      Right from the beginning, a boy is forced to be chivalrous. Girls first, Ladies first, Respect women, don’t hit your sister, look out for your sister, “son I am going away, take care of your mum and sister” You are made believe that all these things such as marriage and equality are real things and then you have kids. You are made believe by all these women that they want a marriage, but then they tell you it is oppression of women by men. It is the other way around – we men are the oppressed when it comes to marriage and the expectation of us to bow to a woman like she is some princess almighty, is appalling. You have to buy her a ring. The whole event is based around her. She is the one who wants it and expects it. Things are great for awhile, until she takes the kids and nobody and i mean nobody, stands by you. Not even the lawyer you pay will stand by you. Get the same lawyer to fight for her and I bet his ball game changes compared to how he defended you, the scum piece of shit.

      You believe you have equal access to your own flesh and blood and that your father deserted you, because your mother said so. You won’t be like him you dream, only to be accused of being the very father you had by the crime of enforcement of removing your children from your life and lying to those kids. You believe the lies your mother told you about your dad beating her or how oppressed men make her, not realising you will be a man someday and all along your mother has placed you in the same catergory as all these other supposedly bad men. You become weary of all men, only to realise, they too, were given the same bullshit lies and you know in your heart you are a decent person, as do they. You wonder where all these bad men are. The media portray all the evil men everywhere but they are really hard to find. You then work out after being brainwashed and absolutely deceived by the entirety of this evil scam that it is in fact women who are the low life scum who destroyed your life and there is nothing but TGYOW. Should be able to take these scum out for what they have done to you. Not warning you about the dangers of being with a woman.

      You start to realise the massive cover up going on and how meaningless you really are and that you are not able to do anything about it. The whole lot is a joke and sadly the only way to stop it will be through violent force or dying.

      You are made believe that getting a job is security and going to war is to protect your country, when it is really invading another country over oil or some crap, while job security is another way of saying you must slave so that we can steal all your money and power and give you minute reward in return, while we sit on our fat arses.

      Statistics will always be in favour of women, even though they can be shown to be false. Media will spawn all types of nonsense that has no relation to most of us and get away with the lies. For example 75% of women have been raped but they use data from other countries that have nothing to do with yours and are also countries that you have no say in what they do, let alone what happens in your own country. Not only that they will use blatant lies by some of the so-called victims as truth, even when it has been proven to be false allegations. They will also deny the same crimes happening to men, while telling us that not including the false rape liars is victim blaming, even though the way they treat raped men is a far worse form of victim blaming by not including them and laughing at them for a little petite woman hurting you.

      Here is a blatant example of statistics being in favour of one gender, while removing vital information.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Ukraine

      I have since read this one again and it has now been updated as of 2019 and i can’t find my math in the talk area. Basically, my math showed that the statics for both men and women were almost identical. They left out vital information, purposely trying to create a stir. There were major in favour of women statistics and they were that women retired earlier and also had 60% of women in government, which has now been purposely changed to only 22% politicians. Retiring earlier – an advantage to women would also alter the amount of women compared to men working as well as the fact that men die earlier then women, leaving more elderly women in the ukraine. Women having babies, is another way to alter these fabricated statistics. They also do not tell of all those men paying for these women’s way in life by slaving their guts out.

      They claim men in businesses get paid more then women in the same business. Now I would like to know how that is a man’s fault, considering we create our own businesses and that women and men support those businesses as a customer base. It means women customers must want to pay women in business less also and not just men, if this crap is true. They word it as if all men are the cause of this when there are more women in this country then men. There are more women in government. I bet there are plenty more welfare payments for women then men also. And i also bet they do not show how many of these men are only part time workers or very low paid workers compared to women. I bet their business crap is a total fabrication. For example – 80 percent of working men own their own business, collectively earning 10 000 000, while 40% of working women own their own business collectively earning 8 000 000. That would mean 125 000 for 1% of men and 200 000 for 1% of women but as a whole men get more because quite simply, there are more of those businesses run by men compared to women. He had to take the initiative and start a business because he can’t rely on welfare like she can. That is purposely left out though so these poor little gold digging, self absorbed, over privileged bitches can be seen as poor little victims.

      I estimated the following because of the amount of women compared to men in the Ukraine. Almost identical but more women (retired elderly are they?) There are children approximately 25% perhaps, There are elderly, approximately 25% but I would say less for men. This leaves 50% of those people. They claimed 80% of all women were unemployed. Well for a start 50% of them do not work because they are elderly or children. This is also the same for men. My estimate showed 79% of men did not work either. I used all the information they supplied and I am sure I copy / pasted it on my PC somewhere but can’t find it. Probably on my external HD since I keep all this bull just so I can show the discrepancies with This draconian Feminism. I bookmark site like this and many other sites to do with other agendas that hurt us men, particularly white men. I say this because it seems that we get accused of it all from shit that happened hundred of years ago to black men or aboriginals, when we were not in existence. Or crap that happened when we were children, out of our control. The favourable welfare payments that we do not get but we have to work though, unlike the other so called minorities. They call women a minority when they are a fucking majority.

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