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		<title>Death of the West? &#8211; Using Historical Models</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Recently, there has been a lot of talk about the death of Western Civilization. &#160;You can read what Dennis Mangan, OneSTDV, Prime (twice), and Ferdinand Bardamu had to say about it. &#160;I was going to weigh in on this, but then I realized that this was going to take several posts, so I decided to <a href='http://www.antifeministtech.info/2009/11/death-of-the-west-using-historical-models/'>[...]</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently, there has been a lot of talk about the death of Western Civilization. &nbsp;You can read what <a href="http://mangans.blogspot.com/2009/11/loyalty-and-indifference.html">Dennis Mangan</a>, <a href="http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2009/11/defeatist-attitude-amongst-conservative.html">OneSTDV</a>, <a href="http://thebetarevolution.blogspot.com/2009/11/my-grandfathers-america-vs-mine.html">Prime</a> (<a href="http://thebetarevolution.blogspot.com/2009/11/inequality-appeal-of-liberal-biorealism.html">twice</a>), and <a href="http://fbardamu.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/the-world-is-doomed-now-get-over-it-and-enjoy-your-life/">Ferdinand Bardamu</a> had to say about it. &nbsp;I was going to weigh in on this, but then I realized that this was going to take several posts, so I decided to start a series of posts about this subject. &nbsp;They will all have the &#8220;<a href="http://antifeministtech.blogspot.com/search/label/death%20of%20the%20west%3F">death of the west?</a>&#8221; label on them, and I will write them as I have time&nbsp;interspersed&nbsp;with all my other posts.<span style="color: #333333; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Georgia, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px;"></span></p>
<p>You will notice that I have death of the west followed by a question mark. &nbsp;That&#8217;s because I&#8217;m asking the questions is Western Civilization really dying, and if so is there any way of turning it around. &nbsp;While there are a lot of problems that do have the potential to bring down Western Civilization, there is also a lot of sensationalism, defeatism, misunderstandings and half truths involved. &nbsp;While I do have my own guesses about the answers this is a journey I am on with you so I don&#8217;t know where it will lead. &nbsp;I&#8217;m going to try my best to do this using reason and not defeatism and sensationalism. &nbsp;Get all of your &#8220;OMG WE&#8217;RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!&#8221; out of your system before you continue reading.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s take a look at historical models. &nbsp;When talking about the death of the West usually, some type of historical model is invoked. &nbsp;A common one is the fall of Rome. &nbsp;That makes sense. &nbsp;There are plenty of parallels between the modern world and the decline and fall of Rome that anyone can come up with. &nbsp;However, it is not a one to one mapping. &nbsp;There is no way it could be. &nbsp;Technology is one huge difference (and this will be the subject of subsequent death of the west? posts). &nbsp;There are others. &nbsp;In other words, there are limits to the use of the Fall of Rome as a historical model (as would be true with any other historical model). &nbsp;That doesn&#8217;t mean the Fall of Rome is completely useless. &nbsp;We just have to recognize that there are limits.</p>
<p>Another problem is not fully understanding a&nbsp;historical&nbsp;model. &nbsp;Take the Fall of Rome again. &nbsp;When people talk about the Fall of Rome what they are really referring to (usually) is the fall of the Western half of the Roman Empire. &nbsp;The Byzantine Empire lasted for another thousand years. &nbsp;Aspects like that could be important in using a historical model like the Fall of Rome because it tells us different things.</p>
<p>The historical models that could help us may not be well known. &nbsp;The reason why the Fall of Rome model gets used a lot is because its something we are all familiar with. &nbsp;It may or may not be the best model. &nbsp;Other models might also provide useful knowledge. &nbsp;Take the fall of the Sassanid dynasty of Iran, the last pre-Islamic dynasty of Iran. &nbsp;The Sassanids had fought several wars against the Byzantines which depleted their treasury leading to high taxes and subsequent rebellions over those high taxes. &nbsp;They had also expanded their empire into several client states which weakened the empire. &nbsp;There was&nbsp;infighting&nbsp;among the dynasty which led to a woman taking over as empress for two years who some historians have described as a feminist. &nbsp;All of this made the Sassanid empire weak enough to fall to invading Muslims. &nbsp;Sound familiar? &nbsp;Like with all historical models appropriate skepticism must be applied, but this is one model to consider.</p>
<p>Sometimes historical models can be stretched to the point where they make no sense. &nbsp;One model that comes up in this context (or specifically the fall of the United States) is the collapse of the Soviet Union. &nbsp;While there are a few (and only a few) aspects that are comparable, the fact of the matter is that the collapse of the Soviet Union is not a useful model. &nbsp;You may remember that <a href="http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=85351">Russian KGB&nbsp;analyst&nbsp;that claimed that the US will break up in 2010</a>&nbsp;as shown on the map below. 
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.wnd.com/images/dividedstates.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="318" src="http://www.wnd.com/images/dividedstates.jpg" width="400" /></a></div>
<p>This is an example of how applying the collapse of the Soviet Union to the US in nothing short of lunacy. &nbsp;It would take me days to document all the ways this guy is wrong so here is a few. &nbsp;You have the basic things problems such as why the US would break up on state lines as opposed to natural borders. &nbsp;The republics of the USSR had more natural borders. &nbsp;Why would Arizona and SoCal end up as part of the Chinese controlled state given the Hispanic population there? &nbsp;The deep south will fight to the death rather than become a part of Mexico. &nbsp;South Carolina will never join up with the EU. &nbsp;The &#8220;Central North American&#8221; republic can&#8217;t exist as a part of Canada or as a client state since in either case that would mean Canada would effectively cease to be Canada. &nbsp;The list goes on and on.</p>
<p>Even if you think this makes sense and all that is needed is some adjustments of the borders, you&#8217;re wrong. &nbsp;The reason why is because this is not about the breakup of the US. &nbsp;It&#8217;s shoehorning the breakup of the Soviet Union in North America and is based on Russian fears of being absorbed by their neighbors. &nbsp;It fails a real analysis of the United States so no matter what you try, it isn&#8217;t salvageable.</p>
<p>I used this example because I wanted to show you just how far historical models can be taken out of their original context. &nbsp;This gives us no useful knowledge. &nbsp;The only reason you heard about this Russian KGB guy and his so called analysis is because of sensationalism. &nbsp;Who wouldn&#8217;t want to get a bunch of web hits by talking about how the US is about to breakup? &nbsp;A lot of people enjoyed reading this since it allowed them to run around screaming, &#8220;OMG THE US IS ABOUT TO DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>When we anaylize the possible death of the west, we need to do in a <b>sober and reasoned</b>&nbsp;fashion. &nbsp;Sensationalism, hysteria, and drunk Russians will not help us. &nbsp;That is what you need to take away from this post more than anything else.</p>


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