Oct 212013
 

EvilWhiteMaleEmpire had this to say about the fear of bad press (related to Paul Elam’s aborted appearance on 20/20):

Even a hit piece against AVfM and the manosphere would have caused many men to actually take a look at such sites who otherwise never would have. Some of those men would realize that 20/20 lied to them.
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And doesn’t it shock you to see just how many in the manosphere don’t seem to get this?

Manosphere fear of bad press is based on what I like to call the ‘androgynous fallacy’.

The idea that there exists huge masses of folks who, like an androgynous person, have no dog in this fight over gender relations.

And therefore this mass can (rapidly) be persuaded to become feminists or anti-feminists based largely on who’s propaganda reaches their ears first.

It’s really quite amazing when you think about it.

Who, exactly, are we trying to impress by saying this but not saying that, by denouncing this guy or that, etc. ?

What impartial jury of public opinion on all gender matters are we trying to reach?

In the Western World there is no such thing as man who has been able to escape unscathed from feminism (except possibly very old men and very rich men).  Pretty much all men have had to deal with misandry by this point (even though they might not realize it as such).  Some end up becoming manginas like Manboobz.  Others come up with the same ideas MRAs or MGTOW do despite having no contact with either group.  (I know this is the case because I have talked to men who have expressed the many of the same ideas we talk about here even though these men have no contact with the MRM, the MGTOW community, or the Androsphere.)  The fact is there isn’t a large number of men (or women) who are blank slate androgynous people when it comes to these issues.  Every day men are negatively impacted by feminism (and misandry in general) so it doesn’t matter how big of a hatchet job 20/20 or anyone else in the media does.  No matter how evil 20/20 makes Paul Elam look, many men will know that 20/20 is lying to them thanks to their own experiences with misandry.

This brings up another reason why it’s a good idea for someone like Paul Elam to go on a show like 20/20.  There are lots of men out there who have come to the same conclusions that we have.  However, they think they’re alone.  They believe that they’re the only ones who think this way because they haven’t been able to find the MRM or the Androsphere.  Paul Elam by going on 20/20, regardless of what 20/20 does to this, can communicate to these men that they aren’t alone.  These men will find out there are communities of men who think like they do.  If you believe in the androgynous fallacy, you don’t know these men exist and don’t realize the importance of reaching out to them.

  3 Responses to “The Androgynous Fallacy”

  1. Wise point of view.
    I agree.
    We already have our supporters, they are out there, they are just silent, lost, unreached.
    It’s like if they didn’t exist, but they do. Ignorant of what MRM is, quite simply unaware of what’s going on.
    But for one reason or another they don’t fall for feminism, they know things are unfair but they can’t say much about it. They are not so well informed yet but they know what’s going on in their gutt.
    The isolation is one of the biggest problems for us. It is why momentum is so hard to build up and why it has taken so long to form a movement, because with feminism basically grabbing by the balls so many aspects of society like academia or the media it is impossible to congregate, spread a message, try to communicate and organize.
    Communication and information are important, they build revolutions, they lead people to freedom and drive people to action. And seeing other people take action despite threats and fear inspires people to do the same, and when enough people stand up for themselves big things happen.
    It’s just a matter of reaching out to the men and women who would be willing to stand up.

    We don’t need to convince everyone, we can’t. We just need to drive enough people to speak their mind, so the topics and subjects that are avoided by society due to feminism are finally discussed. So there are two sides of the debate an so there is a chance for truth to finally come out. And once it comes out, there will be no way to put it back.

  2. When you think about it there are basically three types out there.

    Those that hate us.

    Those that love us.

    And those that love us that just don’t know it yet.

    And just as a ‘proto feminist’ would overlook a Solonas, a ‘proto MRA’ will overlook a Brevik.

  3. a lot of men are unwilling to admit that women have declared war on us all. on masculinity, on boys, and on the structures of civilized society.

    that means we will have to be twice as vigilant.

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