Jul 302013
 

Someone named Mark Minter announced that he got engaged, and this created quite the uproar in the androsphere.  While I have seen the occasional comment from Mark Minter, I really don’t know who he is.  I can’t comment on this except to say that the uproar is missing the point.  There are two important things everyone should remember:

  1. Just because you meet a chick at Heartiste does not mean she is any better most women.  Mark Minter’s fiance, Kate, is a white (knight) nationalist who tried to shame white men at the Eradica blog.  Other than the talk about the white race, what she wrote is indistinguishable from the writings of an actual feminist.  No one should expect anything different from Kate because white (knight) nationalism is a goddess cult.
  2. The dangers of marriage 2.0 can not be solved by marrying the ‘right’ woman because the problems are systemic.  Anti-family courts are corrupt and operate outside of the constitution.  There is no way to escape anti-family courts because all marriage in the west is marriage 2.0.  Rather than trying to find an almost nonexistent woman to marry in the west, your time is better spent expating if you want to get married and/or reading books about the dangers of the anti-family court system like Stephen Baskerville’s Taken Into Custody.

  31 Responses to “Remembering What’s Important”

  1. prenup or no, this mark minter affair, at the least, demands a critical reevaluation of mgtow

    not as a way of life but as a solution to THE PROBLEM

    if a guy who ranted and raved THAT much about marriage could turncoat so easily then what chance does mgtow have of ever getting off the ground as a large scale strategy against feminism?

    • It will have plenty of chances . With fewer men marrying there will be a double down on misandry. Also the actual MGTOW with out the red pill years of discussion in the manosphere is the slow lack of effort of men to compete. Fewer men are trying to be achievers to build the nest for marriage. Not going to school just doing enough for their needs. That is blue pill MGTOW. That part of the movement if it can be said it is a movement is growing just fine and is having an effect.
      This comment here is spot on and the basis of my being here
      “2.The dangers of marriage 2.0 can not be solved by marrying the ‘right’ woman because the problems are systemic.” There is no wife to be had by law.

    • welp, let’s get on the horn with the director of MGTOW

      oh wait

  2. “white (knight) nationalism is a goddess cult.”

    That might be true of the people over at Storm Front, but if you look around then you’ll find more and more White Nationalists are indeed woman smart. Just look at Simon Sheppards http://www.heretical.com site, or Bal Tannit over at http://wnthinktank.wordpress.com/2011/09/23/women-in-the-21st-century, who says things like:
    “We should eventually end all rights for women and put them back into the house where they belong and under the complete control of the man.”, which is hardly ‘Woman Worshipping’.

    • Yes, but your links don’t exactly describe white (knight) nationalism. There are plenty of “nationalists” that if/when they get a white/”Aryan” they immediately put her on a pedestal so high that not even a Saturn 5 can reach her. Then, if she gets fat or starts fucking behind his back (or both), he turns his rage inward.

    • That just sounds like the tyranny of female hypoagency:

  3. lol @ this drama. I don’t know if it’s meant to drive traffic/interest to some blogs or if people are indeed this emotional.

    First off this Mark Minter character. Who is he? The impression I’ve had so far is that he’s a very good keyboard jockey. He types a lot of shit against marriage 2.0 and how the current situation sucks for men.

    I agree.

    But in his own words, he’s getting old and scared. He married this “Kate”, not because he *really* likes her, but because he’s older and doesn’t want to die alone. Even though had he moved out of this goddamn country, he could have had a ten-fold easier time finding great women. But no, he was lazy and a coward.

    And the stupid part is that some in the manosphere freaked the fuck out. Absolutely insane.

    Just ignore the dumbass and keep doing your thing. Mention that he is persona no grata if you must in some quiet way, but he should be forgotten and be dead in the eyes of the manosphere… instead we’re having drama that’s akin to Sex in the City.

    *sigh*

    I’d like to know when the next entitlement princess of the month will be. I like those posts.

    • I don’t know why people are freaking out over this guy. The marriage rate has collapsed in the general society to the point that it’s just above 50% for the population at large. There was also an article that said even by mid-30s, the rate of marriage is below 50%. It’s a much different world than even 1980.

    • I’d like to know when the next entitlement princess of the month will be. I like those posts.

      Either tomorrow or the next day. They’re always at the beginning of the month.

  4. feels weird when we actually have to state such things to a “red pill” audience.

  5. “There are plenty of “nationalists” that if/when they get a white/”Aryan” they immediately put her on a pedestal so high that not even a Saturn 5 can reach her.”

    Oh sure, I completely agree with you on that point. If you want examples of female pedestalizing amongst WNs then you can find examples over at Stormfront. But pedestalizing (to a small extent) is to be expected, because White women are being paired up with Black men on the TV, magazines etc, so it’s to be expected that WKN men will get protective/defensive over them. In that respect WKNs attitudes to women are no different to the regular population (your so-called ‘Blue Pill’ men). But WKNs are wrong about women, as are regular Blue Pill men about women, I’m highlighting that there are men who are White Nationalists who understand women, and those are men that you can reason with. The stereotype of WN as WKNs is an old one, that will hopefully go the way of the dinosaurs.

    • AAB wrote:
      I’m highlighting that there are men who are White Nationalists who understand women, and those are men that you can reason with.

      I assume those aren’t the same guys who troll manosphere blogs and claim that white men who don’t have children ‘within their race’ are shirking their duty. As it stands, White Nationalism sounds too much like Man-up 2.0.

      The whole WN thing is bankrupt on its face because it ends up relying on women’s choice in sexual partners and mating. Manosphereans should be concentrating on the opposite – making women’s choices less and less relevant to men.

  6. “I assume those aren’t the same guys who troll manosphere blogs and claim that white men who don’t have children ‘within their race’ are shirking their duty. ”

    Oh they’re certainly not. If you read Simon Sheppards http://www.heretical.com site (which has been featured over at the more mainstream ‘Alt-Right’ site), then you’ll see that he sees that to an extent men and women are more like enemies than allies (‘Female as Enemy’ http://www.heretical.com/sheppard/tfae.html). That’s hardly the kind of remark a WKN would make! As for the trolls, I can’t comment on them simply because as I haven’t seen any of them. But if there are WKN who are basically shaming men into coupling up with women in full knowledge of the crummy family courts and divorce laws, then they don’t seem any different from what Androsphere/MRAs call Blue Pill men, ie they’re clueless what women are really like. So they’re simply ignorant and you should treat them like you would a Blue Pill man. Personally, I don’t advocate getting married, or doing your duty or any of that, because it’s just heaping coals on the heads of white men, yet again. ‘Any’ society or race is made strong by men doing what they want and doing Their Will, not by being shamed into doing something the don’t. So, really, what decent man would go around shaming other men? None that I can think of.

    “The whole WN thing is bankrupt on its face because it ends up relying on women’s choice in sexual partners and mating. Manosphereans should be concentrating on the opposite – making women’s choices less and less relevant to men.”

    That’s a point we aggree on: that women should be given Less choice. If women are given free choice in anything (be it marriage, raising kids, or looking after their own bodies even) then odds are they’ll mess it up. The only way that white men (or men in any other race for that matter) will live more joyous lives is if they exert Their WIll, Their Choice. That means promoting male rights over female ones.

    • Given that the vast majority (likely over 99.9%) of white nationalists are white (knight) nationalists, why should we care? Even your example of Simon Sheppards still blames the Jews (or more correctly Jewish men) for feminism and defends female hypoagency. He still wants to turn any criticism of women (or white women) into white men vs. Jewish men & black men. He’s feeding the female tactic of “lets have you and him fight”.

    • AAB wrote:

      If you read Simon Sheppards http://www.heretical.com site (which has been featured over at the more mainstream ‘Alt-Right’ site), then you’ll see that he sees that to an extent men and women are more like enemies than allies (‘Female as Enemy’ http://www.heretical.com/sheppard/tfae.html).

      Interesting. He’s certainly got the part right that female power is totally derivative of male power. He also correctly notes that women as a group will abuse any power given over men.

      Other pieces are wrong or incomplete, such as women inevitably pursue a strategy of mating with one man. Not really, their strategy is to maximize both resource and gene acquisition. That’s why the scenario of
      a woman marrying a resource-rich man and then cuckolding him is so common.

      That’s hardly the kind of remark a WKN would make! As for the trolls, I can’t comment on them simply because as I haven’t seen any of them.

      They’ve become such a nuisance that Bill Price at The Spearhead has instituted a moderation policy for comments. There’s also an issue of women who come in and attention whore, but he’s said that the WKN problem is the bigger one.

      I suspect they played a role in Matt Forney’s (aka Ferdinand Bardamu) shutting down his former blog inmalafide.com. While he may have been sympathetic to some of the positions of WNs, I’m sure he never intended his site to become their playground.

      Personally, I don’t advocate getting married, or doing your duty or any of that, because it’s just heaping coals on the heads of white men, yet again.

      Good, glad we agree on that. What I do see is WNs (and also tradcons) demanding that men solve social problems by ‘manning up’ and ‘doing their duty’. Oddly enough, they never seem to demand anything like that from women.

      That’s a point we aggree on: that women should be given Less choice.

      Not politically possible. That’s why I favor the reverse strategy of simply letting women deal with the consequences of their choices and expanding the range of sexual and reproductive options for men. The Misandry Bubble has some good insights on this issue.

  7. Pro-male/Anti-feminist Tech says:
    “Even your example of Simon Sheppards still blames the Jews (or more correctly Jewish men) for feminism and defends female hypoagency. He still wants to turn any criticism of women (or white women) into white men vs. Jewish men & black men. He’s feeding the female tactic of “lets have you and him fight”.”

    That’s a common idea that goes around not only in WN, but also in the MRM: that ‘1960s era feminism ruined women’. But if you read other pages on his site then you’ll see that he provides plenty of evidence that women are women regardless of the culture or the time that they were born in, and it wasn’t feminism or Jews that made them the way they are. From what I’ve read of http://www.heretical.com he doesn’t blame the Jews for ‘ruining women’ but says that they exacerbate the situation, ie that they act as a catalyst and make it worse. Otherwise he wouldn’t have a page called ‘the female as enemy’, and call Big Brother ‘Big Sister’, that shows that he knows about womens anti-male nature.

  8. Ray Manta says:
    “Other pieces are wrong or incomplete, such as women inevitably pursue a strategy of mating with one man. Not really, their strategy is to maximize both resource and gene acquisition. That’s why the scenario of a woman marrying a resource-rich man and then cuckolding him is so common. ”

    Maybe I’m being picky bere, but mating isn’t the same as marrying/cohabting with. If a woman mates/breeds with a cultural paragon (like a rock star) and then marries a beta who she can leach off of, then that isn’t mating with multiple partners, it’s only mating with one (the rock star); though you’re right that it is about maximising/monopolizing resources. I think that’s why poor women tend to breed more than rich women, because they view children as ‘assets’ (in 3rd world countries children are labourers thus bring added income to the household). In first world countries where women have ‘loadsamoney’ they have no need to breed children/workers thus they have fewer children and more abortions.

    “The Misandry Bubble has some good insights on this issue.”

    That’s a big ol’ essay! It’s interesting that despite the cultural and racial differences in the world there are some constants: urban areas have very low birth rates, and that’s going to be a problem that all cultures and races will have to solve themselves. It’s like the old ‘Cain and Abel’ problem: Which kind of life do you want? Cities with grain farms, or hunter gatherer societies?

    • AAB wrote:
      woman mates/breeds with a cultural paragon (like a rock star) and then marries a beta who she can leach off of, then that isn’t mating with multiple partners, it’s only mating with one

      If she does that and has one kid with the beta and two with a rock star (or two rock stars), she’s mating with more than one man.

      (about The Misandry Bubble)
      That’s a big ol’ essay!

      I consider it one of the most important in the manosphere. It’s key point is it’s discussion of cheaply available virtual sex in the near future. It’s already happening now with universally available pornography. But once it goes 3D and you can touch as well as look, it will equal or surpass ordinary sex with a woman.

      Reproductive technologies will also be a great equalizer in the battle of the sexes. They’re still at a very early stage, but even now it’s possible for a man to father a child through a surrogate mother.

      Which kind of life do you want? Cities with grain farms, or hunter gatherer societies?

      Returning to HG-size societies aren’t really feasible unless we expand out to space. But advanced technology on earth would allow lots of small-town level populations with most or all of the advantages of cities.

  9. “And when the Jews get blamed, it’s really Jewish men getting blamed.”

    Gloria Steinem isn’t a Jewish man, Betty Freidan isn’t a Jewish man, yet they both had an exacerbating effect on men by making feminism more prominent.

    • Gloria Steinem isn’t a Jewish man, Betty Freidan isn’t a Jewish man

      They’re also not Jewish.

      Even putting that aside, women like those two get described as tools as opposed to adults individuals with agency so it’s only Jewish men getting blamed.

      • PMAFT wrote:
        They’re also not Jewish.

        Wikipedia states they’re both of Jewish descent and that Friedan’s agnostic. The article below is a bit garbled, but my impression is that Steinem never did more than dabble in Judaism.
        http://www.adherents.com/people/ps/Gloria_Steinem.html

        If AAB is referring to Jews purely as an ethnic group, I’ll concede his point. Of course, then you have to distinguish between different groups such as the Ashkenazis and Sephardics.

        Even putting that aside, women like those two get described as tools as opposed to adults individuals with agency so it’s only Jewish men getting blamed.

        Makow is simply nuts. But a version of his worldview is all too common. In practice, it means that women are treated as empowered, self-determining agents until it becomes inconvenient. Then it’s “man-up” time.

  10. Ray Manta says:
    “If she does that and has one kid with the beta and two with a rock star (or two rock stars), she’s mating with more than one man.”

    I can’t argue with that. Although it’d be interesting to know if that woman had a kid with the beta man as a means of keeping him around – like a pawn, or leverage, or a hostage, or a moral ‘ball-and-chain’ kind of thing. But that’s just an after-thought.

    “once it goes 3D and you can touch as well as look, it will equal or surpass ordinary sex with a woman.”

    Yeah, and weirdly holo-women will actually be a fulfilment of (an aspect of) womans real nature: being fake, purely ostentatious. So real-woman will be made obsolete by holo-woman, who is ‘more’ real than real-woman. Trippy.

    “advanced technology on earth would allow lots of small-town level populations with most or all of the advantages of cities.”

    That’s an interesting field: technology and the decentralisation process. We’ve seen it with the 3D printer, and various technologies like hydroponics, desalinisation and solar panels. If someone wanted to establish a new settlement then they could do it pretty much anywhere on the planet. Western Australia would be a prime location: plenty of open land and an English speaking population. Reducing the population density of cities could only be good for means psychological condition. There are too many laws, and not enough freedom in the cities for men to live well. The high population density and lack of freedom might be one of the causes of psychological problems amongst men. Though this is just a hunch; I haven’t got any facts to back it up with.

    • AAB says:
      “Although it’d be interesting to know if that woman had a kid with the beta man as a means of keeping him around – like a pawn, or leverage, or a hostage, or a moral ‘ball-and-chain’ kind of thing. But that’s just an after-thought”.

      That’s exactly what it is. The so-called “alpha men”, the ones that give women tingles are the ones women really want to have babies with. Other kinds of men (if they even have kids with them at all) are used to some sort of provider role or whatnot. Children are the best way to attempt to keep a man’s resources and dedication.

  11. Pro-male/Anti-feminist Tech says:
    “They’re also not Jewish.”

    This is from a Jewish website on Betty Freidan confirming she’s Jewish:
    http://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/friedan-betty

    And the same site on Gloria Steinem confirming she’s Jewish:
    http://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/steinem-gloria

    And here’s a page from the same site on Jewish women in Feminism:
    http://jwa.org/feminism/_html/JWA067.htm

    I think that pretty much sums it up!

    And citing Henry Makow as your supporting evidence isn’t all that convincing. If I were you I’d steer clear of that guy. just google Leo Zagami on the Makow site and see what comes up. Supposedly Zagami is an ‘ex Illuminati’, who went public, delcared his love for Christ, claimed his wife had run off with his kids, then converted to Islam, all in the space of a month! It’s like a regular soap opera over there. Here’s a typical example of the sensationalism that Zagami says, and therefore that Makow endorces:

    “From 2010 you will start feeling the big changes in the air more and more but in 2012 you will have the clear evidence of the end of this civilization in front of your eyes….the total NAZIFICATION of the western countries by 2010 before the economic situation starts to badly crack for everyone. Then social tension will hit a peak never seen before and internal conflicts could eventually become in 2012: CIVIL WAR!”
    (http://www.savethemales.ca/001870.html)

    Have you seen any civil war or jackbooted NAZIs in the US or UK? ’cause I sure haven’t! Makow endorces ‘End Times Sensationalism’, avoid it like the plague. Stick to news that allows you to THINK calmly and steer well clear of people like Makow the Wacko,

    Reading Makow or others like him will not help you at all. Intead, stick to sources that cite events and info that you CAN check and that you CAN confirm, rather than ‘Bildbergerss’, Lizards, Illuminati and the rest that you can’t confirm. That kind of stuff is bad for your health.

    • Your page on Steinem says, “She was born to a rebellious Scotch Presbyterian mother, raised in Theosophy, and baptized in a Congregational church at the age of ten because her mother thought she should be old enough to remember it. She lost what little interest she had in religion when she became a feminist” so not Jewish. As for Freidan she was an agnostic so not Jewish either.

      Reading Makow or others like him will not help you at all.

      Makow is one of you people. That was the point. When push comes to shove, white knight nationalists will consider all women, even women they believe to be Jewish, to be victims of men.

  12. PMAFT says:
    “Makow is one of you people.”

    Sure.. that’s why I called him a fraud, because he’s one of ‘my’ people..

    PMAFT says:
    “As for Freidan she was an agnostic so not Jewish either.”

    No, she IS Jewish, by her own opinion and by the opinion of Jews:
    “She is included here because her father was a Jew, because she considers herself an outsider and sees Jews as the quintessential out-group, and because she feels drawn to the spirituality and social justice agenda of Jewish feminism.”

    and again:
    ” “Never in my life have I identified myself as a Christian, but wherever there is antisemitism, I identify as a Jew.” ”

    So Steinem IS a Jew by her own admission, and Betty Freidan IS a Jew by her own admission. A Jew is Jewish by birth not by beliefs, just try getting Israeli citizenship without a Jewish mother or father. Showing the Steinem and Freidan are Jewish disproves your original claim that they are not Jews; and also disproves your claim that WN blaim Jewish Men for feminism. Jewish women are responsible for feminism Not Jewish men. Please check your facts.

    Finally, if I blamed Jewish Men for feminism and various other evils, then I wouldn’ve read Jewish Otto Weiningers ‘Sex and Character’ (an excellent exposition on the sexes/genders). I’d recommend that you read it because it’s an excellent work on the female mindset.

    • Sure.. that’s why I called him a fraud, because he’s one of ‘my’ people..

      You don’t get to have it both ways here. The overwhelming majority (as in at least 99.99%) of white nationalists are white knight nationalists. I’m not impressed with your attempt at not all white nationalists are like that.

      “She is included here because her father was a Jew, because she considers herself an outsider and sees Jews as the quintessential out-group, and because she feels drawn to the spirituality and social justice agenda of Jewish feminism.”

      and again:
      ” “Never in my life have I identified myself as a Christian, but wherever there is antisemitism, I identify as a Jew.” ”

      Jewishness is matrilineal barring a conversion.

      So she identifies as a Jew only when there’s antisemitism? That’s solidarity just like when the King of Denmark defended Jews during WWII. Neither her nor the King of Denmark was Jewish. For that matter, I can find people who identify as being Scottish despite having no Scottish ancestry. Identifying with a group without having any real connection to it is commonplace.

      We never going to agree on this because I refuse to accept a white knight nationalist definition of being a Jew.

      Finally, if I blamed Jewish Men for feminism and various other evils, then I wouldn’ve read Jewish Otto Weiningers ‘Sex and Character’ (an excellent exposition on the sexes/genders). I’d recommend that you read it because it’s an excellent work on the female mindset.

      So what is it you’re trying to prove here? White nationalism is fundamentally misandrist. We don’t accept it when women try to pull NAWALT, and we don’t accept when white nationalists try to pull not all white nationalists are like that.

  13. But what is surprising is that so few Androsphere men are bringing up the obvious ‘did he get a pre-nup’ and ‘has he forgotten all the anti-marriage 2.0 comments that he himself wrote?’….

    No kidding. The androsphere has been all about personal drama with “MARK MINTER IS A PHONY AND A TRAITOR” instead of talking about the current system of marriage 2.0. Imagine if we put just 10% of the energy used in personal dramas in the androsphere into real activism.

  14. Like I said on The Spearhead just now, Jaego said that a white man has more in common with children that aren’t his conceived by paternity fraud (as long as all the parents are white) than he would with a mixed race child that was actually his. It’s clear that Jaego doesn’t understand reality, and that white (knight) nationalism is a goddess cult.

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