Jul 202012
 

Roissy had another post on sexbots, and it is clear that the opposition to sexbots (and by extension VR sex and related technologies) is getting desperate.  There are links to sites that make false claims like porn causes erectile dysfunction and attempts to link sexbots to pedophilia.  Those things don’t beat the attempt to claim that sexbots will never exist because it’s impossible to replicate a woman:

I think it’s improbable that sex robots will be a satisfactory sexual surrogate for women. All the minor discrepancies between a sexbot and a woman – such as skin texture, movement, and smells – will be perceived by the male brain. This will ruin the fantasy. Even if scientists manage to produce a carbon copy of a very beautiful female, the knowledge it is not real will spoil the experience.

The senses and the dick have been working in unison for many centuries, and they’ll figure out soon enough that there aren’t any eggs in there.

If this was true, no guy would be looking at porn because porn is obviously not interaction with a real woman.  Plus, for a lot of women, there aren’t any eggs in there now in any meaningful sense between contraception and STDs, but that doesn’t stop anything.  In a post about sexbots being porn raised to the 100th power, this comment is refutes itself.  Later the guy who wrote this comment admits that his idea that guys aren’t going to want something that doesn’t exactly replicate a woman is just a belief, and he has done no research into the subject.

The myth that porn causes ED gets expanded on elsewhere:

Eh, but remember: After a certain point in the cycle of porn/sexbot addiction, erectile dysfunction sets in.

So the question is: What will men do when they find they can’t get it up any more? It’s pretty hard…uh, that is to say, it’s pretty *difficult* to continue getting sexual dopamine fixes from porn and sexbots when, for the life of you, no matter what you try, you can’t get out of limp mode.

I grant that this mostly happens with real women in the early stages, even the best porn produces this effect eventually.

This, after all, is the reason for the (now well-documented) escalation cycle. When a guy can’t get hard from Playboy any longer, he tries hardcore; when that stops working, he tries younger or older or gayer or trashier. The neurochemistry is straightforward: When sheer sexiness is no longer powerful enough to make an impression on one’s desensitized neural pathways, a combination of other sharp sensations (distaste, disgust, fear, hatred, aggression) can temporarily provide the necessary stimulus-boost to stab one’s insensate nerves out of slumber.

The stories at YourBrainOnPorn pretty well show the trajectory: If he doesn’t come to his senses, before long your average nice cornfed Iowa boy, your kind and polite Sunday School graduate, is archiving rape fantasies and bondage fantasies and that weird Japanese stuff with the tentacles and the girls with dicks. It’s a five-year process for some and a fifty-year process for others, but the human body works the way it works, and there comes a point when no more hair of the dog is available and it’s time to sober up. (Sorry for the mixed metaphor but you get the idea.)

If any of this were true, regular old sex with women would cause the same problem for the same reason.  Since it doesn’t, porn doesn’t either.

All of this shows us that many people can’t handle the changes that are going to come with technologies like sexbots (and VR sex which will be here long before sexbots get here).  Expect to find people getting more desperate and promoting more absurd reasons why these technologies are eeeevil.  The problem is that they have invested too much in the idea that women are unique snowflake fertility/sexual goddesses.

The comments to Roissy’s post weren’t all bad.  Here is an interesting one:

Be an alpha. Have a threesome with the girl and the sexbot.

  44 Responses to “Getting Desperate”

  1. I always wondered about that. I saw an article in the Androsphere some time ago that said your body can tell when you have sex and when you *ahem*, and that’s why some feel disgusted after the *ahem*, but not after the sex. I think there is way more to it than that, and that the provided conclusion is untrue.

    Some of it is alpha-posing “haha, I can get laid, and somehow that’s better than what you’re doing”, but you’re right, most of it is desperation and perhaps rationalization.

    Thanks for the post, PMAFT.

  2. Would you have us create a world where men and women are totally disconnected from one another? Where human sexuality is so divorced from human emotion as to be nothing more than a fuck doll?

    We had a working model, all we need to do is remove much of the bias in the family court system and get rid of welfare. From that point on the dynamic between men and women will settle itself.

    I dont doubt the ability of “sexbots” to be marketable. Your society is so utterly corrupt and disgusting that you would market anything, and the people are so corrupt that they would accept it.

    But this is no way to live.

    • WE DID NOT HAVE A WORKING MODEL. The past model was based on male corpses and women on pedestals. Traditional society has always been about putting the human rights of men dead last. IF we had a working model before, it would not have been utterly corrupted in just a few short years by a few marxists. The first chance women got, they crushed our testicles with their high-heeled shoes and most men supported them in this endeavor. I’m curious as to how you’re going to force women back into something that they clearly don’t want.

    • That worlds already here & its women whove pushed men to sexbots & disconnected themselves sexually

      Its women who turned themselves into fuck dolls, their lack of feminity & inability to be a mother & a wife

      A woman is worthless to men unless shes able to fulfil her biological imperative & maternally bond to a man

      Feminism destroyed a womans ability to bond to a man, turning them into modern day fuck dolls

      Women wanted the freedom to be turned into fuck dolls

      The problem with women is, theyre so retarded they dont even know how to be decent fuck dolls, obese fat ugly, bitchy entitled toxicity …

      Hence theyre replacement by today porn, tomorrow realistic sexbots

    • I believe in freedom. The fact is that women created this situation where for increasing numbers of men, the rational choice is to avoid women. If your model actually worked we wouldn’t be in this situation.

      • “Women” created it? Which women? From my understanding it took a long protracted and extremely well funded campaign something like a century to turn women into the wreckage that currently exists.

        Women create nothing PMAFT. They aren’t creators by nature. They are herd creatures, followers, servants, companions, nurturers. It’s hard coded into their DNA to behave like this for a host of extremely good reasons. They follow, they obey, they actually like being obedient to the masculine.

        The current situation exists because a small group of men, regardless of who or what they believe, have used propaganda, government handouts (theft of the working man’s money) and the law to put us at the mercy of women. Or more specifically, they are using the excuse that they are protecting women to take away every last freedom we have. Whether intentional or unconscious, this is what has been done. Maybe it was well intentioned, maybe not, but the result has been a terrible transfer of power from many to the few.

        The trick can be seen in something Aristotle wrote

        http://www.idehist.uu.se/distans/ilmh/Ren/flor-mach-aristotle-tyrant.htm

        “Another art of the tyrant is to sow quarrels among the citizens; friends should be embroiled with friends, the people with the notables, and the rich with one another. Also he should impoverish his subjects; he thus provides against the maintenance of a guard by the citizen and the people, having to keep hard at work, are prevented from conspiring. The Pyramids of Egypt afford an example of this policy; also the offerings of the family of Cypselus, and the building of the temple of Olympian Zeus by the Peisistratidae, and the great Polycratean monuments at Samos; all these works were alike intended to occupy the people and keep them poor. Another practice of tyrants is to multiply taxes, after the manner of Dionysius at Syracuse, who contrived that within five years his subjects should bring into the treasury their whole property. The tyrant is also fond of making war in order that his subjects may have something to do and be always in want of a leader.”

        “Again, the evil practices of the last and worst form of democracy are all found in tyrannies. Such are the power given to women in their families in the hope that they will inform against their husbands, and the license which is allowed to slaves in order that they may betray their masters; for slaves and women do not conspire against tyrants; and they are of course friendly to tyrannies and also to democracies, since under them they have a good time.”

        “Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him.”

        Does any of this sound familiar? You should read the whole thing, it’s an eye opener.

        In any case, I say your solution of avoiding women is insanity.

        If a thief vandalizes your car, do you avoid your car? If some bastard in congress votes to have you taxed higher do you avoid money? The current situation is no different – laws have been passed coupled with propaganda to make it extremely difficult for you to successfully marry and raise a family which will honor you properly.

        There is probably nothing more rewarding or more important for a man to do than to raise good sons and daughters with the help of (at least) one loyal wife. Not for the sake of his children or for the sake of his wife, but for his own sake. His sons will grow up to be loyal brothers that will kill for him, his daughters give him and his sons important ties and bonds to worthy families. That is the purpose of the thing, and it’s clearly a very good thing to have. Because power is a good thing to have, and everything I have just described increases a man’s power. Just because the madmen and degenerates in charge of our country are doing everything possible to wreck any possibility of having such a family doesn’t make it any less valuable.

        The laws must be changed, and if they cannot be changed we must each find communities or social structures which can do an end run around the intention of the law to break up families. If that doesn’t work, then I recommend you expat. Find somewhere where you can be a man and raise a family without the courts and police beating you to death for the crime of not being a slave.

        • anon #2 wrote:
          The current situation exists because a small group of men,

          Somehow, someway, there’s always a man at fault. Next you’ll be trotting out secret societies and the Illuminati. You sound a bit like the guy on the Roissy blog who thought we could solve our problems by introducing the death penalty for adultery. The ugly details of how that would be accomplished are of course left as an exercise for the reader. Perhaps a coup d’etat of the Obama administration by the Taliban would get things moving in the approved direction.

          The laws must be changed

          Great, I don’t think any men’s-rights supporter is objecting to changing them. PMAFT is simply pointing to a technological solution for limiting women’s power over men by increasing sexual supply relative to demand. It seems to me a much safer bet than changing laws and customs, which are subject to human whims.

        • You have made it clear that you’re a typical socon who can’t hold women responsible for their actions instead blaming it on a “small group of men”. This is obvious since you’re trying to trick men into getting married. I’m sure in a comment or two you will be using conspiracy theories to justify your misandrist position.

        • As you wish.

          But let me point out that the bulk of your last reply was nothing more than a bunch of labels and a bit of shaming language.

        • But let me point out that the bulk of your last reply was nothing more than a bunch of labels and a bit of shaming language.

          Are you saying you’re not a socon, then? And should women be held responsible for their actions or not?

    • We had a working model, all we need to do is remove much of the bias in the family court system and get rid of welfare.
      From that point on the dynamic between men and women will settle itself.

      It can settle itself by introducing dirt-cheap sexual substitutes. I believe it will be a fatal blow to the family court system. And women will just have to adapt to a condition where easily available sexual substitutes are available to men.

      I dont doubt the ability of “sexbots” to be marketable.

      Anybody with half a brain and a functioning libido could see that.

  3. ”it is clear that the opposition to sexbots (and by extension VR sex and related technologies) is getting desperate.”

    As one who doesn’t even care about sexbots (if I wasn’t getting regular sex, my hand wouldn’t set me back $15,000), I still have to ask why some people are so dead-set against men being able to spend their money on whatever sex-toys they might wish to have. After all, do not a significant portion of women own and use dildos and vibrators. What, really, is the difference?

    Oh yeah, that’s right. They are women. Only men and men’s choices are fair gamer for criticisms.

    How stupid of me to think that men and women ought to be treated as equals.

    • Female supremacism requires pussy cartel.

    • Of course, they’re against men having a free choice in this area (or anything else). Women are getting increasingly worse so given the opportunity a lot of men will choose the sexbot (or VR sex or just plain old porn) over women either all of the time or even just part of the time. For increasing numbers of men these options are the rational choice, and this is dangerous to them. It’s the same reason they’re afraid of MGTOW.

    • I’m not sure any sex toys are such a great idea, for men or women. It’s also at least as plausible that overuse of vibrators causes desensitization for the female. That said, I can’t get all worked up (heh) over what other people want to waste their money on.

      • You could say the same thing about masturbation, but it doesnt

        As long as its not an addiction, the side effects are none-existent

  4. Theres a move to regulate internet porn in the UK by the conservative govermnent for teh childreeen! Basically all ISPs will be required to turn off access to adult content. Porn users will have to specifically request access to adult content/porn sites.

    • yup, liberals and conservatives have been poisoned by the pervasiveness of feminism. ok granted, they’re extremely far left over there in the UK, but even in america it’s the traditional christians as well as the progressive politically correct who shame men for not wanting to couple with the toxic creatures called women.

  5. This could be an intermediate step to an outright ban on all internet porn. Once all UK ISPs are set up to automatically block porn it would be easy for a furure government to totally ban internet porn as they would remove the opt in option to view adult content/porn.

  6. “The senses and the dick have been working in unison for many centuries, and they’ll figure out soon enough that there aren’t any eggs in there.”

    there aren’t any eggs in my hand either but I haven’t missed a day in 20 years. we are just getting a taste of the ultimate desperation women face.

  7. The porn studies are interesting if nothing else. What I find interesting is that rural Northerthern European societies (amogst others) historically married late, so what do the researchers think the young virile men did with their spare time considering female virginity was a given?

    The most glaring double standard is the dildo, I have yet to meet a woman who is ashamed of owning a dildo, heck I went on a first date with a woman who proudly admitted to owning over 100 dildo, didn’t bat an eye lid….

    For all the feminists complaining about the degrading nature of porn, the advancements in computing power (quantum computing?) will do away with the need for actresses. Can you imagine the howls of disapproval when men can choose and create their ideal virtual female, flawless to the nth degree with any shape their heart’s desire. If they complain about photo shop creating unrealistic ideals nowadays, then you ain’t seen nothing yet.

    • For all the feminists complaining about the degrading nature of porn, the advancements in computing power (quantum computing?) will do away with the need for actresses. Can you imagine the howls of disapproval when men can choose and create their ideal virtual female, flawless to the nth degree with any shape their heart’s desire. If they complain about photo shop creating unrealistic ideals nowadays, then you ain’t seen nothing yet.

      I can tell you that this is coming. Virtual humans is one of the current top 5 goals in the field of 3D computer graphics. The video game industry wants it to make video games more realistic and so does Hollywood to make “animated” TV & movies more realistic to the point of making animation an alternative to live action TV & movies. Given how hard these industries are working towards virtual representations of humans (along with providing billions of dollars towards this goal), sooner or later we will have them. At that point there is nothing stopping men from creating their ideal virtual female on a computer screen.

  8. This could be an intermediate step to an outright ban on all internet porn.
    ——————-
    i tell guys all the time don’t just assume the stuff is still going to be around in ten years

    everyone archive your favorites

    also men should be already thinking of ways to subvert the bans when they come

  9. Ferdinand Bardamu was a mannosphere blogger who promoted the idea that a man’s sexuality knew the difference between a real pussy and a hand. That said, when sex bots come out, a real woman’s major competition point is going to be her personality. We’re going to have a LOT more single people.

  10. Ok.

    Fuck this comment system. I just typed out a long comment and it got deleted. I am done with it. I am not retyping it and all I did was hit backspace because I realized I put my name where the email address goes in the top box(which is where the name goes in most comment detail boxes) and it sent me back to the homepage instead of the article page. Da fuck.

  11. Wow, are you doing this on purpose? I hope so. I mean, do you seriously think women – least of all radical feminists – oppose this?

    You’re creepy closet rapists with or without the inanimate object to take it out on. So, you’re saying now you’ll have an inanimate object to take it out on?

    And you’ll leave us the fuck alone???

    It’s interesting, that you seem to sincerely believe women WANT you around.

    I mean, how the hell do you reconcile this horse shit? We’re SEPERATISTS. We are acutely aware of the fact that no, we can’t fucking fix you (not that we were responsible for your deficiencies in the first place) – any more than our foremothers couldn’t fix you, and you are too lazy and selfish and cowardly to fix yourselves. Or you would have done it by now.

    You don’t honestly believe women want anything you have, do you? …Seriously, what the hell for? Your inept pronging?

    Yeah, definitely. We totally keep those nine volts for the fire detector. Yep.

    Yeah, well gosh – dildos don’t rape us. Men do. (Surprise!)

    (They also don’t knock us up.)

    PLEASE REPLACE US. IMMEDIATELY.

    Please, please please please please please pretty please build your rape-bots. Whatever gets you to go away and leave us alone is SOLID GOLD.

    <3 Thanks!

    • ROTFLMAO!!!!

      Yeah, well gosh – dildos don’t rape us. Men do. (Surprise!)

      Are you sure? Dildos are penis shaped. They might be raping you.

      • Actually feminists rape themselves continously with facsimiles of mens penises …

        Hell even lesbian feminists strap facsimiles of mens peniss to rape each other …

        If you want men to stop raping you, stop raping yourselves first …

        You feminists seriously dont get it …

        Its not women we hate, its feminists

        Feminists arent women, theyre a hate group, just like white natinalists & extremist white hating black panther activists

        Feminism is in general legalised nazism against men

        Go shove your rape whining along with your penis envy shaped dildos, where the sun dont shine

        • Seriously these feminists are so retarded …

          Why the hell would we create facsimiles of women, if we hated women?

          What a bunch of ignorant morons

    • Wow! Just Wow!

      Please please please please please,

      Thanks!

      <3

      • So why so many articles on “where have all the good men gone?” written by women?

        You’re no representative of women, you’re a broken individual with an ugly personality

    • Hmm.. what’s the title of this post, again?

      Oh, yeah…

  12. i tell guys all the time don’t just assume the stuff is still going to be around in ten years

    everyone archive your favorites

    It’ll be here, just in far more elaborate form.

    also men should be already thinking of ways to subvert the bans when they come

    We already have subversions such as Darknets which are peer-to-peer sharing systems. All the draconian governmental intrusion supported by feminists has one fatal flaw – it requires a highly centralized system to enforce. Once darknets become married to 3D entertainment and printing systems, regulating men’s sexual behavior will become even more feckless than the war on drugs.

    • It’ll be the modern day re-run of alcohol prohibition. That female based movement that led to the population as a whole starting to see the laws as optional. It also corrupted the police and judiciary. Feminists don’t do rational thought so they tend to have problems with the real world, but then they don’t live in the real world

  13. Its cool. It’s not just the email address though, the entire comment section seems off and glitchy but it may just be my computer.

    My comment was mainly about the escalation effect and how it happens in relationships.

    It seems to me that the more partners a woman has the more she deviates into BDSM and Kink and what not to spice up the sex between her and her new man.

  14. Why not have iwives and robomoms?

  15. […] my last post about sex bots and VR sex, there was some talk about how governments might start banning internet porn.  That might be […]

  16. The revolutionary thing about all these developments is the impunity men will finally be able to enjoy and the complete control they will have over their libidos without all the external shaming we once felt. The need to seek out a partner will no longer stem from sexual frustration and gone will be the days where men put up with so much in the name of love or lust. This is definitely the start of something big. I feel sorry for the soppy unborn billions of women who will never know how it was like to act prissy and priveledged and still have a man run to their beck and call. Priceless!

  17. Yes, it is very telling. What this means is that regular old porn, which is non-interactive since it is either still images or video, is already causing women and manginas problems. Interactive porn, VR sex and sexbots, are only going to make the situation worse for them. They can sense it and are pathetically trying to stop it before it is created. Obviously, they will fail.

  18. Well, it’s not just the physical. They are also referring to the emotional intimacy one can have with a real woman. I agree that would be lost in VR sex, but today’s women are too toxic to share emotional intimacy with anyway.

  19. “The same tired old arguments are trotted out – that it ‘cannot simulate a real woman’…

    “This assumes that all real women are perfect 10s, when in reality, most women are not even 7s, and most women over 35 are not even 5s..”

    And it’s not just that — you have to take the search costs into consideration as well. After all, it’s not like the average guy can pick up a cute girl as easily as he can pick up a loaf of bread at the store. For the typical guy, getting laid involves dealing with lots of rejection, flakes, friend-zoning, dates that go nowhere etc., before eventually finding an attractive girl who actually likes him.

    Now compare all that hassle and frustration with guaranteed “sex” with an artificial 10. If sexbots become available, how many guys will just decide to say “fuck it” to the whole courtship, pickup and dating process?

  20. lol emotional intimacy …

    A womans version of emotional intimacy is abuse by a bad boy alpha

    Women can stick their version of emotional intimacy where the sun dont shine …

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