I read this from OneSTDV, and it gave me an idea:
The Manosphere, which I believe is primarily comprised of black and South Asian men, seeks the destruction of the family, and by proxy or deliberate motivation, traditional white society. What the Manosphere seeks as their utopic vision, a societal-level sausage fest, will accomplish nothing and furthermore directly contradicts the biological imperative of every single animal that has ever lived. By focusing on the gender war, their occasionally noble pursuit implicitly ignores the far more fundamental aspect of liberalism – hatred of Western civilization and whites. While not in a full-length post, I’ve argued before that a large portion of the Manosphere is primarily concerned with exonerating NAM men for their crimes and instead placing the blame at white feminists for society’s ills; with white women also being a group that has largely rejected them sexually. The fact that the Manosphere aggressively opposes racial discussion, both on their blogs’ front pages and within their comment sections, implies that such a characterization has merit.
This gives me an idea for an addition to the Catalog of Anti-Male Shaming Tactics, code ivory shaming language.
Charge of being anti-white (Code Ivory)
Discussion: The target is accused of declaring war on the white race or hating white people in some way. Typically, this is used by white nationalists, but it also used sometimes by various reactionaries and conservatives who want to paint the target as a believer in multiculturalism. Examples:
- You hate the white race.
- You are just angry that white women have rejected you.
- You want to destroy Western civilization.
- You are blaming white women for the crimes of non-white men.
- You are failing in your duty to produce white children.
- You are trying to destroy the white race via miscegenation.
Response: Feminists who use the tactic of “women and minorities” do not care about non-white men. Non-white men are victims of feminism just like white men. The damage feminism does affects poor men to a greater degree than other men, and poor men are made up of a higher percentage of non-white men. The first victims of the false rape industry were black men who were lynched by the KKK because a white woman lied about being raped. White nationalism is nothing but a goddess cult that worships white women so they are as feminists as self described feminists.
“The Manosphere, which I believe is primarily comprised of black and South Asian men…”
Ha! Looks like they’ve failed to realize just how many reptile aliens are in the Manosphere.
Somehow TFH get’s top billing from One STDV:
Easily the most vile individual in the Manosphere.
And, they give him this honor for what I always took a s tongue-in-cheek comment. Damn I’m jealous!
Best I can seem to do for haters is a couple of the nihilist bottom-dwellers. Oh well, at least they’ll be loyal haters.
But, enough of my self-pity at only being able to attract low-quality haters.
At least one commenter on the OneSTDV piece seems to be on to something:
”It wouldn’t surprise me if WN and Feminism would coalesce”
It would be a natural “fit”, as Feminism is, by-n-large, dedicated to the advancement and empowerment of White Women, and most WN’s seem to fall all over themselves to prop White Women up on pedestals.
To get real haters you need to attack something that they deeply care about. With 1stdv that means race which TFH does by marking himself as white when he donates sperm.
Except that I have not ‘lied’ about anything. I have explained this at great length. That loser OmegaSTDV merely makes up a bogus narrative about something I have never stated or even implied.
I explained this in detail multiple times. Including on this blog (let me go find that comment).
But the best part is, other than OmegaSTDV and a couple of WN losers, no one really cares that the US Census Bureau has a MUCH broader definition of ‘White/Caucasian’ than what the WN losers would like (they don’t even consider Jews to be white, while the US Census Bureau groups Arabs, Persians, and North Indians into one huge ‘White/Caucasian’ group.).
OmegaSTDV is outraged over a fiction. This tells us more about him than about me.
That was my comment. If things go the way they go, Feminism and WN will coalesce, just like MRM and Multiculturalism. Here we see an example of the latter:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100146668/the-world-is-turning-conservative-so-liberals-are-eating-their-words/
Just like TFH predicted.
I’m far from an egalitarian, but us men are all in this together – white, black, straight, gay.
If I might pimp a friend of mine – ominipitron.com – he made the excellent argument that the black community is the “canary in the coalmine” for feminism.
Certainly, blacks commmit far more violent crime than whites, but part of the reason is that they’ve been denied a father.
Off topic, but here’s another one for your “filthy sluts” list.
Feminists forego toilet paper to express their outrage over some nonsense.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/20/feminists-protest-rush-limbaugh-with-flush-rush-toilet-paper-stunt/
At least the toilet paper is going to homeless people who will use it unlike feminists.
Nothing new. It has been obvious a long time ago that OneSTDV is a prejudiced, ignorant, white-knighting idiot beta.
as men’s rights gains (gain, singular?) more influence, it’s enemies will become more irrational and unhinged
stay vigilant, brothers
NAILED IT.
I honestly do not get this. It may be because I am not american, but the manosphere is made up of MEN: of all races and many creeds.
Most of the time I do not know what race is the person whose words I am reading. I am looking at his (or her) prose, not the colour of the hands writing it.
Race seems to be an American obsession. I am literally more worried about being with people who are honourable and of the faith than if they are as Irish, English, Scottish or whatever else is in my family tree as me
Now, it may be that I am not from the USA. Is that code Stars ‘n’ Stripes?
The race obsession is unique to the US because of our history, but the same thing exists everywhere else. It’s like called nationalism outside of the US. Mark Richardson (oz conservative) is the same thing from the Australian POV, but he wouldn’t be considered a white nationalist, but an Australian nationalist. Same thing with a different name and some minor cultural differences.
You are pretty much right in your summation of Mark Richardson, PMAFT. Though he is also a racist. I came to that conclusion after having some interaction with him on his blog..
Oh very polite about it.
But a snobby racist nonetheless.
This stuff exists everywhere, I agree.
Thank God we don’t have many of these types in Australia.
If you consider the fact that most expats looking for wives in Asia are white you’d think most men in the manosphere are actually white.
Some people have a real thing about miscegenation, and consequently oppose the “marry a foreign woman” thread in the manosphere.
I’m not sure how OneSTDV could honestly say the manosphere is not comprised mostly of white men.To say that it’s comprised largely of black and South Asian men is so transparently false and deranged one wonders at the mental malpractice required to believe it. From the bloggers to the commentariat the manosphere is largely white—which is part of the reason why white nationalism has a disproportionately strong presence here. White nationalists saw angry white guys finally speaking out and thought they would be fertile ground for converts. They were largely wrong.
Which explains much of the consternation from them now. The hysteria you see from white nationalists like OneSTDV, Ryu, Kievsky and these other clowns is due to one simple I fact, I believe: that men’s rights is slowly gaining traction and stature—and that it isn’t bringing white nationalism along for the ride. These clowns tried to hijack The Spearhead, A Voice for Men and even Roosh (lol) with very little success. There are now mainstream publications beginning to play footsie with manosphere themes (ie, The Good Men Project, James Taranto in the WSJ, etc) but white nationalism still rests atop the ash heap of history where it belongs. These fools thought they could use the MRM and anti-feminists to foment the race war they’ve been longing for to compensate for their own personal shortcomings and the need to feel like part of a winning team.
They have failed, and they know it.
You are right about this. It’s not limited to the white nationalists either. You could replace white nationalist with tradcon or alt-right or any of the fringe political groups that hang out at the edges of the manosphere in the section of yours that I quoted and it still would be exactly correct.
Excellent comment from dragnet.
The reason the manosphere is gaining traction and WN is being left behind is because the manosphere has facts and justice on its side, while WN does not. I continue to be surprised how little WNs know about even their own subject of interest.
I think WF Price and PMAFT deserve the most credit in making sure WN remains on the ash heap and out of the MRM. These two gentlemen have correctly called it a ‘Goddess Cult’.
1StDv is easily the dumbest blogger in the entire alt-right. This is a guy so desperate for attention that he trolls his own blog with various sockpuppets. He leaves a trail of idiocy wherever he goes.
Agreed.
Note that he has to libel me with an outright lie, rather than face up to the fact that the US Census Bureau is the one that groups Persians, Arabs, and North Indians as ‘white’. No matter how often you explain it to that retard, he does not get it.
Perhaps because the truth (that it is not just me, but thousands of sperm AND egg donors, grouped under ‘white/caucasian’ by US Census mandate) is too horrible for him to come to terms with, and he has to create an elaborate system of denial to say that ‘TFH lied’ so as to believe this is not systemic and vast.
in the long run the mrm. will do more for the white race than white nationalism will ever do for white men.
The desirability of multiculturalism is founded on the same lie about human existence that feminism is. The MRM refutes claims that men and women are interchangeable in all situations. WN refutes the claim that the various races are interchangeable in all situations.
I am of mixed 0.75 black/ 0.25 white ancestry, and my life’s very unusual circumstances cause me to feel no biased affinity toward any group of peoples. I do not subscribe to the faith-based, high-stakes gamble that causing whites to become a minority in every country on earth will not be a major set-back for humanity.
Feminism thrives anywhere female supremacist ideologues can fool men into thinking they represent women. Feminism can exist in the absence of both racial ideologies, and also in the presence of both. Feminism can exist whether women are reproducing adequately in a racial nationalist system, or if they are supporting their race’s displacement within their nation in a multicultural system.
The significance of the MRM and WN is that they are groups where the ultimate evil (white men) are actively saying they have a bad deal in society as white and/or as a man. An MRA is centered around the “male” part of “white male,” and as such is open to men of other races.
White nationalism focuses on the “white” part of “white male,” and desperately tries to bring in women. To further this, they believe in pedestalizing women to draw them in. In their extreme cowardice, they lay the blame for white reproductive decline at the feet of colored men and gay men, since women hate receiving criticism for their “empowerment” (self-imposed sterility).
I believe WN will fail in its goals, and not for the better, IMO. Despite all of its flaws, I acknowledge that WN is a currently peaceful movement.
However, I am 99.9% certain that the situation I described earlier, of whites becoming a minority in every nation on Earth, will not happen. A rapid and uncontrollable backlash borne of fear will cause whites to suddenly gain the racial consciousness necessary to defend themselves at the last moment.
It will be MEN of all races who will be forced to fight for their survival in this conflict we have set the groundwork for. White men will fight for “their people” and everyone else will be fighting for “their people.” Conflicts on this basis have raged for all of humanity’s past, and continue to rage at this moment. It will be mostly the MEN of the future OF ALL RACES who have to pay the costs for the West’s currently fashionable, yet erroneously self-righteous attitudes towards the nature of humanity.
Maybe I exaggerated things. More likely, MRM, WN, Feminism and Multiculturalism form four directions of the compass. I think it should be possible to design an ideology specifically for white men, Y-haplotypism. Other groups of men could create their own Y-haplotype movements.
The problem with this comparison is that the feminists will ditch minority men as soon as it’s convenient for them to do so. Arguably, this has already started. It won’t be white men that are the ultimate evil, but just men. (Even gay men will be dumped when convenient.)
Of course it won’t happen. The idea that “we” are being outbred by minorities or Muslims or what have you is a myth. Everyone’s fertility rates are dropping. “White” is also not a static definition. One hundred years ago Italians and the Irish weren’t considered “white”. One hundred years from now, “white” will include groups currently not considered “white”. This is another reason why white nationalism is absurd.
PM/AFT,
You have to dig into OneSTDV because he digs into you — I get that. Part of the collateral damage of this conflict is that he downplays the concerns of MRAs, and you downplay the concerns of his camp with regards to race.
I’m here observing all of this, reminded of Paul Elam’s run in with gamers. Rather than deal with the gamers he didn’t like, he goes on a mission to debunk the entirety of game. He’s a smart guy, so he made decent sounding arguments, but ultimately he was wrong.
I don’t really care to argue for MRAs at OneSTDV’s place, since they’re already fully convinced that we suck. Likewise, I won’t make much effort to go on MRA sites and talk about how I doubt the PC dogma’s claims that any lineage of peoples can maintain and progress an advanced human civilization. People around these parts automatically associate that way of thinking with white nationalists or racists. WNs are bad guys, so the story goes.
So, I don’t care for WNs at all, as many of my comments here will indicate. It’s just sad that those inept and clueless people are the only ones who get that allowing current demographic trends to continue is a risky gambit for the West. This has nothing to do with WNs per se, yet everyone feels the need to “refute” these concerns based on their dislike of WNs or certain racially minded bloggers. Oh, well.
Neither you nor the white nationalists understand what the current demographic trends are. Everyone’s fertility rates are collapsing, not just whites. I’m not just downplaying the “concerns” of white nationalists. I’m pointing out that they are factually incorrect. That isn’t the real problem. White nationalism is fundamentally feminist because any form of racial nationalism becomes a fertility goddess cult. This is also true of the black, hispanic, asian, etc. equivalents to white nationalism.
Nailed it. Which is why these guys are really white (knight) nationalists.
The other reason why white nationalism is bunk is because white people aren’t one homogenous group. Both world wars are the result of white people being unable to manage their affairs. The Troubles in Ireland haven’t really ended—they’ve only died down. Scotland is agitating for independence. The EU is all but done for. Belgium is on the brink of splitting because the Flemish and French can’t get along. Kosovo, Serbia, Russian, Georgia are all locked in varying degrees of confrontation. Basque separatists haven’t given up hope. We have an intensely passionate red state/blue state divide in this country. I could go on.
The simple truth is that white people don’t get along very well. Any “nationalism” that extends outside a common language simply cannot work for long.
From Wikipedia, note this map of what the US Census Bureau considers ‘white’.
People from Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt, Libya, and Afghanistan are considered white. And until 2010, Pakistan and North India were too (my donations were before 2010).
Plus, I am technically from a Persianid group that resides in India.
The reality is, contrary to OmegaSTDV’s libel, there are literally hundreds of Middle Eastern and Indian sperm *and* egg donors that are classified as ‘white’, as per the US Census Bureau.
PMAFT (and dragnet too), I need your held to drive this home. This is the worth nightmare for WNs. They think their nightmare is just me, when in fact their nightmare is several hundredfold larger.
Funnily enough, no one other than WNs seem to be troubled by this at all. Heh.
(fixing typos) :
…..I need your help to drive this home. This is the worst nightmare for WNs….
The simple truth is that the defintion of ‘white’ has been amazingly protean throughout American history. There was time when the Irish were most emphatically considered non-white. The same goes for Jews and other groups. All of these peoples are now considered white in this country.
The only people who consider Anglo/Nordic people of Western European extraction to be “white”—to the exclusion of anyone else—are white nationalists. That’s it. This would exclude Greeks, Italians, French, Russians, other Slavs, etc. It’s transparently false and stupid.
The upshot is that “white” is a catch-all term to denote a social overclass. Sure, it has some ethnic markers but they are not nearly so clearly defined as OneSTDV is pretending. In fact, in California people of mixed white heritage are regularly checking the “white” box on the Census forms.
White nationalists don’t get to make the rules on what is “white”—it’s a moving target of some combination of ethnic group and a heavy dose of social convention. Always has been, always will be and to suggest otherwise is as ahistorical as it is dishonest.
The simple truth is that the defintion of ‘white’ has been amazingly protean throughout American history.
Of course. Just decades ago, Italians, Jews, and even Slavs, were not considered white. The funny thing is, WNs never realize that the definition gets broadened. They go along with it anyway.
But I have noticed one or more the following to be true of WNs :
1) They are not WASPs, but rather from groups that WASPs looked down upon at one time (Eastern Europeans, Italians, etc.). They desperately want to get included by redrawing the lines.
2) They are shorter than 5’10″
3) They do poorly with women (hence their paranoid obsession with colored guys who practice Game).
Sure, it has some ethnic markers but they are not nearly so clearly defined as OneSTDV is pretending.
The US Census official definition is very broad, and includes countries like Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan. Until 2010, it included Pakistan and India, as per a 1923 ruling.
But OmegaSTDV would rather say that ‘TFH lied and is evil’.
The upshot is that “white” is a catch-all term to denote a social overclass.
Also true. By now you must have read about the attempts to re-classify Asians as white. I don’t approve of that, but for entirely different reasons than from why WNs don’t approve of it.
it’s a moving target of some combination of ethnic group and a heavy dose of social convention.
Another interesting fact – in Africa itself, someone like Obama is considered ‘white’ in some quarters.
And Advocatus Diaboli considers me to be ‘white’ too. From his perspective (read about Dravidians vs. North Indians), I am.
The funny thing is, OneSTDV and AD, who are more similar to each other than either would ever admit, both view me as a member of ‘the other’, given where they draw the lines.
In reality, I am exactly half-way in between.
Here is my comment from months ago, which explains how I did not ‘lie’ (contrary to OmegaSTDV’s libel), but that this is how the US Census Bureau groups races :
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The truth is :
ALL US census demographic forms prior to 2010 had only the following 6 races. This is true for everything from college applications to driver’s license forms to sperm bank applications.
The 6 races are :
White/Caucasian
Black
Asian/Pacific Islander
Native American/Alaskan Native
Hispanic/Latino
Other
Under the description of ‘White/Caucasian’, it clearly says that anyone from Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia, or India qualifies for this group. Me, as a North Indian, only has two choices on this form : ‘White/Caucasian’ and ‘Other’. Clearly, no one will put ‘other’ as there is no point in donating sperm then. So the only choice I had available is ‘White/Caucasian’. The bank thus groups all white, Arab, Persian, and Indian donors in one group.
These are the designations from the US Census Bureau. I did not ‘lie’ contrary to the claims of OmegaSTDV. There is no choice, whether I wanted it thus or not. He should be angry at the US Census bureau, but is too cowardly to face up to the fact that this situation is duplicated at ALL sperm banks, not just the one I donated to.
Secondly, I have never, ever, distinguished on race in terms of my statements about feminism and women. I am extremely race neutral in my opposition to misandry, as anyone who is not a WN loser can attest. Everyone from PMAFT to Obsidian will attest that I am not about race. Is there even one article on my blog about race? In contrast to the 30 hours of labor it took to write The Misandry Bubble?
Thirdly, no one other than a WN loser is troubled by this. No one. Says a lot about what they are about, eh?
Fourth, the progeny of a white and North Indian is not the dreaded ‘brown baby’ that OmegaSTDV laments. Are Ben Kingsley, Rhona Mitra, Norah Jones, etc. ‘brown’. Most would say they are not. What idiots these WN losers are. !!!Gack!!! More brown people with the skin tone of Norah Jones are coming out!! What will we WNs do now?
Fifth, OmegaSTDV calls me an ‘MRA’, because he is a pedestalizing mangina. By contrast, some non-Game MRAs say I am not an MRA, since I am pro-Game. Loserdom has many common forms, no matter what the origin.
Sixth, sperm banks only select for the very highest level of IQ/education, height, looks, and family health history. 98% of men do not qualify (and the donation program is difficult and most men cannot handle it). It is safe to say that just about 100% of women (white or otherwise) would like my genes more than those of OmegaSTDV, who is surely my inferior on all the aforementioned metrics.
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In reality, OmegaSTDV’s libel is not just false, but the reality is vastly worse than he imagines. The entire US Census Bureau defines ‘white’ much more broadly than the WN losers would like. That is what they don’t get.
Of course, no one other than WNs find this particularly troubling in any way.
OmegaSTDV is a tard. But it seems the sperm donation program is very eugenic. Why no NAZI!!! cries about that?
According to the US Census Bureau, most Muslims are ‘white’. Yet both WNs and Muslims themselves agree that criticism of Islam is about race. How weird a world we live in.
I myself am part North-African. North-Africans are part West-African. Under the one-drop rule, I could classify myself as Black. LOL
Even if you were 100% North African, under US law, you would be in the same bucket as ‘White/Caucasians’, and if you donated sperm (or if female, eggs), they would be bundled with other whites.
See that map I linked.
That is the law. When the law conflicts with what OmegaSTDV wants, those who *follow* the law are ‘evil’, rather than the law itself. What a coward.
Then again, someone retarded enough to claim the manosphere has very few whites (90% is ‘few’, according to this idiot), is not smart enough to function in normal society. He does, after all, advertise his handle as his IQ being one standard deviation below the median (hence the name, OneSTDV).
WN commenters seem to be smarter than commenters on this page … still you all are fun to read. And really what is wrong with being a white nationalist ?
You guys are idiots and manginas. That’s what wrong with you.