Mar 202012
 

I read this from OneSTDV, and it gave me an idea:

The Manosphere, which I believe is primarily comprised of black and South Asian men, seeks the destruction of the family, and by proxy or deliberate motivation, traditional white society. What the Manosphere seeks as their utopic vision, a societal-level sausage fest, will accomplish nothing and furthermore directly contradicts the biological imperative of every single animal that has ever lived. By focusing on the gender war, their occasionally noble pursuit implicitly ignores the far more fundamental aspect of liberalism – hatred of Western civilization and whites. While not in a full-length post, I’ve argued before that a large portion of the Manosphere is primarily concerned with exonerating NAM men for their crimes and instead placing the blame at white feminists for society’s ills; with white women also being a group that has largely rejected them sexually. The fact that the Manosphere aggressively opposes racial discussion, both on their blogs’ front pages and within their comment sections, implies that such a characterization has merit.

This gives me an idea for an addition to the Catalog of Anti-Male Shaming Tactics, code ivory shaming language.

Charge of being anti-white (Code Ivory)

Discussion: The target is accused of declaring war on the white race or hating white people in some way.  Typically, this is used by white nationalists, but it also used sometimes by various reactionaries and conservatives who want to paint the target as a believer in multiculturalism.  Examples:

  • You hate the white race.
  • You are just angry that white women have rejected you.
  • You want to destroy Western civilization.
  • You are blaming white women for the crimes of non-white men.
  • You are failing in your duty to produce white children.
  • You are trying to destroy the white race via miscegenation.

Response: Feminists who use the tactic of “women and minorities” do not care about non-white men.  Non-white men are victims of feminism just like white men.  The damage feminism does affects poor men to a greater degree than other men, and poor men are made up of a higher percentage of non-white men.  The first victims of the false rape industry were black men who were lynched by the KKK because a white woman lied about being raped.  White nationalism is nothing but a goddess cult that worships white women so they are as feminists as self described feminists.

  29 Responses to “Code Ivory”

  1. “The Manosphere, which I believe is primarily comprised of black and South Asian men…”

    Ha! Looks like they’ve failed to realize just how many reptile aliens are in the Manosphere.

    Somehow a certain commenter get’s top billing from One STDV:

    Easily the most vile individual in the Manosphere.

    And, they give him this honor for what I always took a s tongue-in-cheek comment. Damn I’m jealous!

    Best I can seem to do for haters is a couple of the nihilist bottom-dwellers. Oh well, at least they’ll be loyal haters.

    But, enough of my self-pity at only being able to attract low-quality haters.

    At least one commenter on the OneSTDV piece seems to be on to something:

    ”It wouldn’t surprise me if WN and Feminism would coalesce”

    It would be a natural “fit”, as Feminism is, by-n-large, dedicated to the advancement and empowerment of White Women, and most WN’s seem to fall all over themselves to prop White Women up on pedestals.

  2. I’m far from an egalitarian, but us men are all in this together – white, black, straight, gay.

    If I might pimp a friend of mine – ominipitron.com – he made the excellent argument that the black community is the “canary in the coalmine” for feminism.

    Certainly, blacks commmit far more violent crime than whites, but part of the reason is that they’ve been denied a father.

  3. Off topic, but here’s another one for your “filthy sluts” list.

    Feminists forego toilet paper to express their outrage over some nonsense.

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/20/feminists-protest-rush-limbaugh-with-flush-rush-toilet-paper-stunt/

  4. Nothing new. It has been obvious a long time ago that OneSTDV is a prejudiced, ignorant, white-knighting idiot beta.

  5. as men’s rights gains (gain, singular?) more influence, it’s enemies will become more irrational and unhinged

    stay vigilant, brothers

  6. “White nationalism is nothing but a goddess cult that worships white women so they are as feminist as self described feminists.”

    NAILED IT.

  7. I honestly do not get this. It may be because I am not american, but the manosphere is made up of MEN: of all races and many creeds.

    Most of the time I do not know what race is the person whose words I am reading. I am looking at his (or her) prose, not the colour of the hands writing it.

    Race seems to be an American obsession. I am literally more worried about being with people who are honourable and of the faith than if they are as Irish, English, Scottish or whatever else is in my family tree as me

    Now, it may be that I am not from the USA. Is that code Stars ‘n’ Stripes?

    • The race obsession is unique to the US because of our history, but the same thing exists everywhere else. It’s like called nationalism outside of the US. Mark Richardson (oz conservative) is the same thing from the Australian POV, but he wouldn’t be considered a white nationalist, but an Australian nationalist. Same thing with a different name and some minor cultural differences.

      • You are pretty much right in your summation of Mark Richardson, PMAFT. Though he is also a racist. I came to that conclusion after having some interaction with him on his blog..

        Oh very polite about it.

        But a snobby racist nonetheless. 😉

        This stuff exists everywhere, I agree.

        Thank God we don’t have many of these types in Australia.

  8. If you consider the fact that most expats looking for wives in Asia are white you’d think most men in the manosphere are actually white.

  9. Some people have a real thing about miscegenation, and consequently oppose the “marry a foreign woman” thread in the manosphere.

  10. I’m not sure how OneSTDV could honestly say the manosphere is not comprised mostly of white men.To say that it’s comprised largely of black and South Asian men is so transparently false and deranged one wonders at the mental malpractice required to believe it. From the bloggers to the commentariat the manosphere is largely white—which is part of the reason why white nationalism has a disproportionately strong presence here. White nationalists saw angry white guys finally speaking out and thought they would be fertile ground for converts. They were largely wrong.

    Which explains much of the consternation from them now. The hysteria you see from white nationalists like OneSTDV, Ryu, Kievsky and these other clowns is due to one simple I fact, I believe: that men’s rights is slowly gaining traction and stature—and that it isn’t bringing white nationalism along for the ride. These clowns tried to hijack The Spearhead, A Voice for Men and even Roosh (lol) with very little success. There are now mainstream publications beginning to play footsie with manosphere themes (ie, The Good Men Project, James Taranto in the WSJ, etc) but white nationalism still rests atop the ash heap of history where it belongs. These fools thought they could use the MRM and anti-feminists to foment the race war they’ve been longing for to compensate for their own personal shortcomings and the need to feel like part of a winning team.

    They have failed, and they know it.

    • Which explains much of the consternation from them now. The hysteria you see from white nationalists like OneSTDV, Ryu, Kievsky and these other clowns is due to one simple I fact, I believe: that men’s rights is slowly gaining traction and stature—and that it isn’t bringing white nationalism along for the ride. These clowns tried to hijack The Spearhead, A Voice for Men and even Roosh (lol) with very little success. There are now mainstream publications beginning to play footsie with manosphere themes (ie, The Good Men Project, James Taranto in the WSJ, etc) but white nationalism still rests atop the ash heap of history where it belongs. These fools thought they could use the MRM and anti-feminists to foment the race war they’ve been longing for to compensate for their own personal shortcomings and the need to feel like part of a winning team.

      They have failed, and they know it.

      You are right about this. It’s not limited to the white nationalists either. You could replace white nationalist with tradcon or alt-right or any of the fringe political groups that hang out at the edges of the manosphere in the section of yours that I quoted and it still would be exactly correct.

  11. 1StDv is easily the dumbest blogger in the entire alt-right. This is a guy so desperate for attention that he trolls his own blog with various sockpuppets. He leaves a trail of idiocy wherever he goes.

  12. in the long run the mrm. will do more for the white race than white nationalism will ever do for white men.

  13. “…Feminism and WN will coalesce, just like MRM and Multiculturalism”

    The desirability of multiculturalism is founded on the same lie about human existence that feminism is. The MRM refutes claims that men and women are interchangeable in all situations. WN refutes the claim that the various races are interchangeable in all situations.

    I am of mixed 0.75 black/ 0.25 white ancestry, and my life’s very unusual circumstances cause me to feel no biased affinity toward any group of peoples. I do not subscribe to the faith-based, high-stakes gamble that causing whites to become a minority in every country on earth will not be a major set-back for humanity.

    Feminism thrives anywhere female supremacist ideologues can fool men into thinking they represent women. Feminism can exist in the absence of both racial ideologies, and also in the presence of both. Feminism can exist whether women are reproducing adequately in a racial nationalist system, or if they are supporting their race’s displacement within their nation in a multicultural system.

    The significance of the MRM and WN is that they are groups where the ultimate evil (white men) are actively saying they have a bad deal in society as white and/or as a man. An MRA is centered around the “male” part of “white male,” and as such is open to men of other races.

    White nationalism focuses on the “white” part of “white male,” and desperately tries to bring in women. To further this, they believe in pedestalizing women to draw them in. In their extreme cowardice, they lay the blame for white reproductive decline at the feet of colored men and gay men, since women hate receiving criticism for their “empowerment” (self-imposed sterility).

    I believe WN will fail in its goals, and not for the better, IMO. Despite all of its flaws, I acknowledge that WN is a currently peaceful movement.

    However, I am 99.9% certain that the situation I described earlier, of whites becoming a minority in every nation on Earth, will not happen. A rapid and uncontrollable backlash borne of fear will cause whites to suddenly gain the racial consciousness necessary to defend themselves at the last moment.

    It will be MEN of all races who will be forced to fight for their survival in this conflict we have set the groundwork for. White men will fight for “their people” and everyone else will be fighting for “their people.” Conflicts on this basis have raged for all of humanity’s past, and continue to rage at this moment. It will be mostly the MEN of the future OF ALL RACES who have to pay the costs for the West’s currently fashionable, yet erroneously self-righteous attitudes towards the nature of humanity.

    • Maybe I exaggerated things. More likely, MRM, WN, Feminism and Multiculturalism form four directions of the compass. I think it should be possible to design an ideology specifically for white men, Y-haplotypism. Other groups of men could create their own Y-haplotype movements.

    • The significance of the MRM and WN is that they are groups where the ultimate evil (white men) are actively saying they have a bad deal in society as white and/or as a man. An MRA is centered around the “male” part of “white male,” and as such is open to men of other races.

      The problem with this comparison is that the feminists will ditch minority men as soon as it’s convenient for them to do so. Arguably, this has already started. It won’t be white men that are the ultimate evil, but just men. (Even gay men will be dumped when convenient.)

      However, I am 99.9% certain that the situation I described earlier, of whites becoming a minority in every nation on Earth, will not happen.

      Of course it won’t happen. The idea that “we” are being outbred by minorities or Muslims or what have you is a myth. Everyone’s fertility rates are dropping. “White” is also not a static definition. One hundred years ago Italians and the Irish weren’t considered “white”. One hundred years from now, “white” will include groups currently not considered “white”. This is another reason why white nationalism is absurd.

      • PM/AFT,

        You have to dig into OneSTDV because he digs into you — I get that. Part of the collateral damage of this conflict is that he downplays the concerns of MRAs, and you downplay the concerns of his camp with regards to race.

        I’m here observing all of this, reminded of Paul Elam’s run in with gamers. Rather than deal with the gamers he didn’t like, he goes on a mission to debunk the entirety of game. He’s a smart guy, so he made decent sounding arguments, but ultimately he was wrong.

        I don’t really care to argue for MRAs at OneSTDV’s place, since they’re already fully convinced that we suck. Likewise, I won’t make much effort to go on MRA sites and talk about how I doubt the PC dogma’s claims that any lineage of peoples can maintain and progress an advanced human civilization. People around these parts automatically associate that way of thinking with white nationalists or racists. WNs are bad guys, so the story goes.

        So, I don’t care for WNs at all, as many of my comments here will indicate. It’s just sad that those inept and clueless people are the only ones who get that allowing current demographic trends to continue is a risky gambit for the West. This has nothing to do with WNs per se, yet everyone feels the need to “refute” these concerns based on their dislike of WNs or certain racially minded bloggers. Oh, well.

        • It’s just sad that those inept and clueless people are the only ones who get that allowing current demographic trends to continue is a risky gambit for the West.

          Neither you nor the white nationalists understand what the current demographic trends are. Everyone’s fertility rates are collapsing, not just whites. I’m not just downplaying the “concerns” of white nationalists. I’m pointing out that they are factually incorrect. That isn’t the real problem. White nationalism is fundamentally feminist because any form of racial nationalism becomes a fertility goddess cult. This is also true of the black, hispanic, asian, etc. equivalents to white nationalism.

        • “White nationalism is fundamentally feminist because any form of racial nationalism becomes a fertility goddess cult. This is also true of the black, hispanic, asian, etc. equivalents to white nationalism.”

          Nailed it. Which is why these guys are really white (knight) nationalists.

          The other reason why white nationalism is bunk is because white people aren’t one homogenous group. Both world wars are the result of white people being unable to manage their affairs. The Troubles in Ireland haven’t really ended—they’ve only died down. Scotland is agitating for independence. The EU is all but done for. Belgium is on the brink of splitting because the Flemish and French can’t get along. Kosovo, Serbia, Russian, Georgia are all locked in varying degrees of confrontation. Basque separatists haven’t given up hope. We have an intensely passionate red state/blue state divide in this country. I could go on.

          The simple truth is that white people don’t get along very well. Any “nationalism” that extends outside a common language simply cannot work for long.

  14. WN commenters seem to be smarter than commenters on this page … still you all are fun to read. And really what is wrong with being a white nationalist ?

  15. […] I wrote about Code Ivory shaming language yesterday, I thought I would write up an entry for the Catalog of Anti-Male […]

  16. OmegaSTDV is a tard. But it seems the sperm donation program is very eugenic. Why no NAZI!!! cries about that?

    According to the US Census Bureau, most Muslims are ‘white’. Yet both WNs and Muslims themselves agree that criticism of Islam is about race. How weird a world we live in.

    I myself am part North-African. North-Africans are part West-African. Under the one-drop rule, I could classify myself as Black. LOL

  17. The simple truth is that the defintion of ‘white’ has been amazingly protean throughout American history. There was time when the Irish were most emphatically considered non-white. The same goes for Jews and other groups. All of these peoples are now considered white in this country.

    The only people who consider Anglo/Nordic people of Western European extraction to be “white”—to the exclusion of anyone else—are white nationalists. That’s it. This would exclude Greeks, Italians, French, Russians, other Slavs, etc. It’s transparently false and stupid.

    The upshot is that “white” is a catch-all term to denote a social overclass. Sure, it has some ethnic markers but they are not nearly so clearly defined as OneSTDV is pretending. In fact, in California people of mixed white heritage are regularly checking the “white” box on the Census forms.

    White nationalists don’t get to make the rules on what is “white”—it’s a moving target of some combination of ethnic group and a heavy dose of social convention. Always has been, always will be and to suggest otherwise is as ahistorical as it is dishonest.

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