Sep 262011
 

One way that the costs of misandry get transferred back on to women is by denying marriage and denying children to women.  There is another aspect of this that deserves exploration.  Denying marriage on children to women also denies grandchildren.

Most ways that the cost of misandry will get transferred back on to women avoid a group that bears a great deal of responsibility for feminism, our parents’ generation, in particular our mothers.  Our parents’ generation had one foot in the old system and one foot in the feminist system.  This meant that many of them have completely avoided the consequences of supporting feminism.  I see this with my own parents who don’t particularly think of themselves as “feminists” but have effectively supported feminism all the same.  They have experienced absolutely no consequences from their support of feminism.  This goes for both my mom and my dad.  I suspect it’s the same with a lot of your parents.

While many of our fathers have been negatively impacted by divorce, they still supported feminism.  They just got married again and again.  Even when a divorce happened they didn’t experience it as a consequence of feminism.  It would be bad enough if the devastation from divorce in our parent’s generation was limited to our fathers, but many of our fathers still pushed for us to get married despite what they experienced feeding the machinery of feminism.

If there’s one group that needs to have the costs of misandry transferred back on to them but isn’t, it is our parent’s generation.  One way to do that, possibly the biggest and best way to do that, is to deny grandchildren.  Fortunately, it works as part and parcel of denying marriage and children.  Most of our parents want grandchildren so denying them grandchildren really forces the cost of misandry back on to them.  This is particularly effective when done by only children or by men who have only brothers.  Even for men who have sisters, this can still be effective if it prevents the “family name” from being passed on.

I have supported use of surrogate mothers at places like the Rotunda Clinic for men who want children but want to avoid the feminist marriage/child support/alimony apparatus.  Considering the importance denying grandchildren, I’m wondering if using surrogate mothers is a good idea now.  On the other hand, having grandchildren due to us using surrogate motherhood instead of by “traditional” means may be in itself painful enough for our parents because our parents would then be put in odd situations like having to explain to their friends why their sons are single fathers since we weren’t married nor got our girlfriends pregnant (or avoiding explaining it to their friends and hoping it never gets discovered).

Regardless the idea of denying grandchildren as a means of transferring the costs of misandry on to those who caused it is something that needs to be explored further.  We also should brainstorm other ideas on how to transfer the costs of misandry back on to our parents’ generation since many of them are getting off scot free for their support of feminism.

  18 Responses to “Denying Grandchildren”

  1. Eh, I’m not sure about this. It’s impossible to end your parents’ lineage without the concomitant effect of simultaneously ending your own. It’s a punishment that is inflicted upon you to the same degree as them. You will also have no grandchildren. Why would we regard this as a cost to them, but not to ourselves?

    I hate to say it, but the boomers who have set in motion the West’s impending demise are going to get away with it. Their willingness to leverage the labor of the unborn to support their own lives suggests that they don’t really give a shit about their grandchildren. Of course some do, but collectively they appear not to.

    This passive-aggressive self martyrdom is fine as an ex post facto rationalization for going childless, but is weak as an anti-misandry tactic.

  2. I don’t really look at going childless is any sort of punishment. The clamoring for grandchildren is largely due to a massive ego trip on the part of the erstwhile grandparents. To my mind, grandparents exist to undo everything that parents do in the raising of kids. They relish in their self-perceived superiority over their own children for the sake of spoiling the grand kids. So, my family crest will have to be retired due to not continuing the legacy; big fat hairy deal. Who wants to bring kids into a world such as this anyway? This generation and every one prior has screwed this planet, this society, and systematically removed the concept of justice from the law. It isn’t up to the next generation to fix the fuck-ups that have gone before.

  3. Denying your parents grandchildren is cutting of your nose to spite your face. It’s kind of an inter-generational kamikaze attack and most people don’t want to be suicide attackers.

    I think there will be a lot of denied grandchildren just due the mess feminism has made in society.

  4. If you want kids and can be a good Dad, then “just” find a way to have them that you can believe in (expatriation, etc.)

    I won’t give up sex to hurt feminism, nor will I give up eating, sleeping or being a daddy.

  5. Grandchildren are not a right; in fact, neither is having children for yourself. It’s a responsibility. People who “give” grandchildren to their parents for the sole reason of giving them grandkids is doing nobody any favors, the kids in particular.

    If they want grandkids to dote over, let them adopt a couple. Let them do the raising and put up with the headaches of snot-encrusted clothes, spontaneous puking all over themselves, and shitting up a diaper. That’s the trouble with erstwhile grand parents. They want the fun but absolutely none of the responsibility of having little house apes running all over the place; just like single moms. they don’t want them because they love kids, they want them to fulfill a last ego trip before they fall into returning to their own infantile lives where there minds have turned to pudding and they’re busy shitting their own diapers.

    I don’t owe them a thing.

  6. So feminists – desperately wanting children and husbands and begging men to impregnate them on every corner.
    Huh…

    I am sorry.. for which country are you talking about, because I am from Europe and not American, so this is news to me.

    Do tell more, please.

  7. Oh… it kind of is.
    Because, you see MOST women is not ALL women. Which means that the percentage feminist women who will caught the interesting “baby rabies” are not that many. Which means… that you are:
    One – oversimplifying, which is not getting any points. I hate people trying to use math in order to push a point and failing miserably.

    Second – ineffective, because you are putting off people who like things to be at least a bit coherent.

    Third – surprisingly feminist in its core on the “let’s stop pressuring women on marriage and having children on the ground that they all want that, despite MRA’s constantly complaining how feminists are ruining men by denying to have children and to marry men”. I thing that the huge contradiction is now obvious for you?

    So… it is quite hard to follow your grand logic and I will love to hear some more. Because it could be that I am missing something specific for America and that all women over there scream day and night for babies and husbands and I missed it from TV and the media because of the feminist matriarchy.

    And… nice phrase there – baby rabies. It’s cute, that you compare longing for a child with a killer disease…
    I am stressing that these are your words, not mine.

    • Because, you see MOST women is not ALL women. Which means that the percentage feminist women who will caught the interesting “baby rabies” are not that many. Which means… that you are:
      One – oversimplifying, which is not getting any points. I hate people trying to use math in order to push a point and failing miserably.

      You need to show that feminists are less likely than the average woman to want kids, and you haven’t done that so there is no reason to assume there is a meaningful difference is baby rabies between feminists and the average woman.

      Second – ineffective, because you are putting off people who like things to be at least a bit coherent.

      It’s coherent. You’re just not capable of understanding reality. I have seen the manboobz post where you came from. You people can’t even figure out that I get laid plenty even though it’s thoroughly documented on this blog in many different ways. If you can’t figure that out, you won’t be able to figure this out either.

      Third – surprisingly feminist in its core on the “let’s stop pressuring women on marriage and having children on the ground that they all want that, despite MRA’s constantly complaining how feminists are ruining men by denying to have children and to marry men”. I thing that the huge contradiction is now obvious for you?

      I have never seen a MRA complain “how feminists are ruining men by denying to have children and to marry men”. MRAs are talking about how marriage has turned into marriage 2.0 (making marriage a feminist institution) and how it’s a bad deal for men.

      So… it is quite hard to follow your grand logic and I will love to hear some more. Because it could be that I am missing something specific for America and that all women over there scream day and night for babies and husbands and I missed it from TV and the media because of the feminist matriarchy.

      Just go to any magazine stand. You will find a gazillion bridal magazines but no “groom magazines”. There is no phrase for it because men don’t pursue marriage but women do. Just look through women’s magazines and you will find a million articles on “how to get him to commit”. Everything for men in this area is on why marriage is a bad idea for men. There is a massive campaign to attempt to shame men into getting married. Women are trying massively to pressure men into marriage and children.

      I have traveled internationally plenty so you can’t claim ignorance on this if you’re non-American.

      And… nice phrase there – baby rabies. It’s cute, that you compare longing for a child with a killer disease…
      I am stressing that these are your words, not mine.

      Baby rabies is a commonly used phrase.

  8. Yes, I came across this particular website trough manboobz because I was searching Google for something completely different and Google thought it was relevant. Because this particular article looked quite weird I came to check it out.
    So… assumptions made you look like an ass again. It looks like a habit of yours. Congrats!

    Again, most women is not all women. This stands still true. I didn’t know I am supposed to show researches about most women is NOT all women, I thought that’s kind of quite obvious fact. Especially since you are saying that all feminists are engaged with assholes who think that by denying women children or marriage will make them change their opinions about equal rights and right to choose what to do with themselves.

    There are many people who don’t want kids out there.
    And your attitude “let’s punish the people we love, because we don’t agree with their believes” is juvenile at best, because why being with a person who you don’t like and agree with in the first place on soemthing as basic as “people are equal”?

    I am not capable to understand the reality… cute.
    You said nothing in regards to my comment that generalisation about people is stupid, innefective and putting people of but I am away from reality because you don’t like some random website and assumed I am a contributor/reader there/whatever.

    If you have troubles with marriage being all about women, I’d love to see some examples about this. Because as far as i am aware, in your contry the bride is still given from her father to her husband (we are talking heterocouples, cisgendered as well), still wearing mainly white, still the oaths include that she will obey her husband. And that’s just the ritual.

    Yes… there are hundsds of magazines about weddings, which irritates the shit out of me, but that is NOT because of feminism dude. It’s mainly because weddings and marriage are still viewed as the top achievements women can do, plus poping some kids into existence. Also… cashing on about the whole DREAM WEDDING, OMG!!!!! moment. Which has always puzzled me, but you can call and cry me a river when a groomoplasty becomes a thing.
    Weddings are business who is not interested in women but just in their money. And if you have issues with that… you are barking under the wrong tree, since feminism has nothing to do with it.
    Reclamation with the consumerist bits of our society for this one not with feminism, unless you are selling the point that feminism rules over magazines now?

    I have never heard the phrase “baby rabies” before in my life. Also… my opinion for this still stands, it is a quite the horrible analogy and it is making you sound weird.
    Do you want to punish your parents for having opinions on their own besides your precious snow-flake approval or simply hate kids on regular basis?

    Because if the latter, simply say so.
    But moaning how to use your reproductive system to punish: presumably the woman you love (because why being with her if not?), your parents (who probably loved you and raised you, and obviously let you live in environment in which personal opinion formation is allowed an ecouraged) and suggest that ONLY women want kids and marriage?

    Dude, this whole article fails on so many levels:
    – asuming all (feminist) women want children
    – assuming all (feminist) women want marriage
    – assuming men don’t want children and they will happily agree with your plan
    – assuming everyone is in a shitty relationship with a person they actually hate and would want to punish
    – assuming people having horrible realtionships with their parents and they hate them so much they want to punish them…
    – assuming any sane person would succumb towards this kind of treatment with someone they are having a relationship in which “marriage” and “kids” exist as possibilities is scary

    Can you imagine the other way around?
    That someone would adopt blackmail you into something you don’t want by something that is important for you and you are NOT a 5 year old?

    If you have any issues with feminists and women, I suggest you simply stop communicating with such people. Because the idea how the world is feminist is laughable. Since 2/3rds of the wolrd still treat women like a commodity instead of people, you sound quite ignorant.
    And not to beat the dead horse, but it’s quite boring for

    • Sorry – hit enter

      Last sentance: it’s quite boring as an assumption that any person would not search for different options if the person they are with is an ass.
      I have seen many women pressuring their spouses/many men pressuring their spouses for children and it’s horrible in all cases.

      I find it disgusting that you are even suggesting this.

    • Yes, I came across this particular website trough manboobz because I was searching Google for something completely different and Google thought it was relevant. Because this particular article looked quite weird I came to check it out.

      And it’s just a big coincidence you sound exactly like the manboobz morons? Especially since both you and the manboobz morons lack reading comprehension skills.

      You still haven’t explained why you think feminists want children less than the average woman.

      And your attitude “let’s punish the people we love, because we don’t agree with their believes” is juvenile at best

      You think that gives baby boomers, my parents generation, the right to force feminism on those of us who weren’t even born yet? We were the ones to deal with the costs. I have been dealing with misandry, the hatred of men and boys, since I was in kindergarten when I was forced to go to schools with feminist, boy hating teachers.

      If you have troubles with marriage being all about women, I’d love to see some examples about this. Because as far as i am aware, in your contry the bride is still given from her father to her husband (we are talking heterocouples, cisgendered as well), still wearing mainly white, still the oaths include that she will obey her husband. And that’s just the ritual.

      I already gave you examples, but here’s another one. The “family court”/divorce court system is heavily anti-male just as the law, the media, the educational system, the government, and most everything else is anti-male now.

      I have never heard the phrase “baby rabies” before in my life.

      Your ignorance of the English language does not constitute a legitimate argument.

      Can you imagine the other way around?
      That someone would adopt blackmail you into something you don’t want by something that is important for you and you are NOT a 5 year old?

      Yes, I can imagine it the other way around because women are doing it to men all the time.

  9. I don’t know much about that website actually, so if you think that logical arguments and thorough understanding of history is = morons… well maybe I am going to like the people over there a lot more than I am liking you.

    If you think that anyone who does not agree with you is a moron, well… the world is full with morons according to you.

    I already stated – the fact that “some women” is different than “all women” should be more than sufficent as an explanation why there is no need for me to show evidence that feminists are less inclined to want babies. We can, however, check the overal percentage of pregnancies in the world and compare it with previous decades and see that women wanting babies is not a constant. Which logically makes that a group formed by ideas and not simply gender, makes ypur assumption incorrect.

    In regards to the law being anti-male and anti-paternity, again this is NOT because of feminism but because “children” is still largely seen as women-only task and men are deemed careless, stupid or incapable of being good parents which is horrible. Saying that the media and the judical system are overwhelmingly female are you? Yes, there are issues and abuse… are you suggesting we stop living in democracy since there are plenty of the people who abuse it, huh?

    Also, at least in my country, there are several feminist organisation who are actively working and fighting for this to change. I can’t believe that in America there are no such organisations.

    Also, dude, my English is fine, thank you very much. Maybe my ignorance in derogatory terms in websites like this one is limited and quite frankly, I am glad about this.

    Also “women do it” is again generalising, because I have never done it, and I am sure there are many people who have never done this as well. There are PEOPLE who do this and PEOPLE who don’t do it. There is no genetic connection with something like that to assume that gender has anything with this.
    The idea that “everyone else is doing it” is again, the response of a 5 year old.

    I finally managed to check this website in detail and… honestly, I find this place repuslvie.
    There is little to no actual critical comments and reviews on feminism and feminist theory but mainly cherry picking and blatant misinterpretation. And LOTS of hate.
    Most of it… it’s just pure women hating. For less than 75 articles I have seen the word “bitch” and “sluts” used as a derogatory word too many times to feel fine. Subtle or not so subtle recommendations about sexual and physical abuse and other stuff which made me cringe.

    If the people in Manboobz dislike this place and you… I think I like them already.

    • I already stated – the fact that “some women” is different than “all women” should be more than sufficent as an explanation why there is no need for me to show evidence that feminists are less inclined to want babies.

      You still haven’t explained why feminists want children less than the average woman. Obviously, you can’t or you would have provided an answer instead of beating around the bush.

      In regards to the law being anti-male and anti-paternity, again this is NOT because of feminism but because “children” is still largely seen as women-only task and men are deemed careless, stupid or incapable of being good parents which is horrible.

      Feminists demanded and won the legal changes so you can’t tell me these are really anti-feminist.

      Saying that the media and the judical system are overwhelmingly female are you?

      The media and the judicial system are overwhelmingly pro-female.

      Yes, there are issues and abuse… are you suggesting we stop living in democracy since there are plenty of the people who abuse it, huh?

      Human rights is more important than democracy. Since democracy because of feminism is violating the rights of men on an epic scale then we have to get rid of democracy. The end of democracy is pretty much guaranteed at this point.

      Also, at least in my country, there are several feminist organisation who are actively working and fighting for this to change.

      And yet you can’t provide any actual examples. I call BS on this.

      Also “women do it” is again generalising, because I have never done it, and I am sure there are many people who have never done this as well. There are PEOPLE who do this and PEOPLE who don’t do it. There is no genetic connection with something like that to assume that gender has anything with this.

      There’s no genetic connection but the feminist controlled legal system allows women to get away it.

      I finally managed to check this website in detail and… honestly, I find this place repuslvie.
      There is little to no actual critical comments and reviews on feminism and feminist theory but mainly cherry picking and blatant misinterpretation. And LOTS of hate.
      Most of it… it’s just pure women hating. For less than 75 articles I have seen the word “bitch” and “sluts” used as a derogatory word too many times to feel fine.

      Awww…were your poor little feelings hurt?

      Subtle or not so subtle recommendations about sexual and physical abuse and other stuff which made me cringe.

      There is no recommendations about sexual or physical abuse anywhere on this blog. You’re full of BS.

      • Feminists would be less likely than other women to have children because assuming that feminist essentially means a person who advocates equality between genders and making available opportunities for women that we didn’t have in previous generations (and I don’t want to have an argument about semantics). Traditionally, women get married and start families and stay home to take care of the children. Feminism is not traditional, ergo a feminist woman would be more likely than a woman with traditional values to have children.

        I know this thread is old but I wanted to make this point.

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  11. Eneya is a huge mangina, he is just going to have to learn the hard way that feminism is a hate movement against men which was created and funded by the elites.

    I never want to marry nor have children and it’s not even about punishing my parents, but protecting myself. There’s nothing in it for men, so the only rational choice is for men to avoid women and go their way. The costs of misandry indeed will be transferred to men as a certain commenter correctly points out in “the misandry bubble” when technology, such as VR girls largely replaces most human women.

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