May 192011
 

A couple of posts ago I quoted a conspiracy theorist who said, “As soon as men have figured out how to have babies without women, it will be the end of women kind, it will be the coming gynocide.” Indomitable Thoughts asked if Dworkin actually said this. That got me wondering and so far I not been able to find any evidence of Dworkin saying this, although the use of the word “gynocide” sounds like her.  Can anyone find evidence that Dworkin said this or said something similar even vaguely similar?  I would really like to know.

  11 Responses to “Request For Help: Did Andrea Dworkin Say Something Like This?”

  1. Of course not, instead she said: “Women shouldn’t talk when its not necessary and should always obey their husbands.”

  2. Don’t know about the full quote, but Dworkin’s 1983 book “Right Wing Women” has a chapter called “The Coming Gynocide” (right after a chapter entitled “Jews and Homosexuals”). Here’s the Google Books snippet view.

    There’s a copy of it on Ebay, accompanied by a blurb saying “The crisis, she believes, is upon us: & in it she she predicts not only an intensification of oppression, but the possibity of a coming gynocide, as technical reproduction makes women’s role as birthgivers itself redundant…”

    I think if you’re going to find that quote, it’ll be in this book.

  3. I believe that Dworkin, if that is her statement, is very likely right about this (“broken clock”, you know). The irony is that the corporatist/statist forces (not a specific conspiracy, but very real and powerful forces at work in the modern world) that created and nurtured the beast that is modern feminism will essentially slit that beast’s throat when it is fat enough. The proverbial “knife” may very well be the creation of artificial womb technology, taking the biological essence of woman and commoditizing it, as has already been done with many of her other aspects. It will be pushed through with a combination of pressure and support from the left (allowing gays to reproduce), right (saving fetuses from hostile wombs), and center (allowing the infertile to reproduce). When it becomes ubiquitous in society, the ladies will end up paying for it profusely. CPS has already become something of a juggernaut, and recently started to trample on the rights of mothers (as it has been doing for decades to the rights of fathers). Imagine the exponential increase in power that it will receive when the bond between mother and child is severed on not just an individual physical level, but on a societal level at large. How hard would it be for corporate media to demonize motherhood by publicizing the idea of deadbeat mothers who “absolutely must” be robbed of their children? Well, how hard was it for them to do that to men? You get the idea. While the artificial womb may be a fantastic way of “settling the score”, we may very we’ll be cutting off our nose to spite our face with it as a society at large. However, this does create an opening for existing father’s rights groups to seek a natural alliance with (soon to be needed) mother’s rights groups, where both parties can get their rights as parents back.
    I personally want to see a world where neither women nor men are obsolete, but instead distinctly different, complementary, and entirely necessary parts of a functioning society.

    • What you say rests on a false premise. Here it is:

      “CPS has already become something of a juggernaut, and recently started to trample on the rights of mothers (as it has been doing for decades to the rights of fathers). Imagine the exponential increase in power that it will receive when the bond between mother and child is severed on not just an individual physical level, but on a societal level at large. How hard would it be for corporate media to demonize motherhood by publicizing the idea of deadbeat mothers who “absolutely must” be robbed of their children?”

      In this case, the “mother” is a machine.

      The only “adverse effect” this would have on mothers’ “rights” would be their “right” to monopolize reproduction and to use this monopoly to extort exorbitant sums from would-be fathers.

      As for this:

      “I personally want to see a world where neither women nor men are obsolete, but instead distinctly different, complementary, and entirely necessary parts of a functioning society.”

      All reasoning men know that neither can be considered obsolete without calling humanity itself obsolete as women and men are two sides of the same coin,as it were.However,with men under attack from every angle by a large group of women intent on selectively eliminating us from the population,rendering women “obsolete”with technology such as this may be the only option we have of protecting ourselves from their lunacy before they stir up a lynch mob against us.

      Perhaps commiserating with us in our mutual “obsolescence” will give these maniacs a reason to acknowledge our humanity.

    • Anybody will be able to use artificial wombs so I don’t see what the “corporatist/statist” problem is. Yes it will cost money but the Rotunda Clinic only charges $10000 for a similar service which is actually quite affordable considering that a person would likely only use it 1 to 3 times in their lives. And if you can’t afford it the “natural” way is still available. An artificial womb just gives you a baby. It still has to be raised. There is no massive increase in government power that will be created with artificial wombs.

      Frankly this whole thing seems to be another example of the “women are the real victims of feminism” BS. That plus an attempt to create a moral panic by inventing mens rights conspiracies where there are none.

      If women end up “obsolete” then it’s because they chose that path. Most women have chosen a path where their only value is their vagina, in other words sex and babies. And they have chosen to progressively demand more for less and less. That only creates a larger demand for partial or full alternatives to women. Neither the MRM nor the government nor corporations are making women “obsolete”. It’s women themselves.

      • [i]Anybody will be able to use artificial wombs so I don’t see what the “corporatist/statist” problem is.[/i]

        Conservatives of every flavour will rigorously opposes artificial womb technology. Some wings perhaps even violently. Feminists will most definitely oppose such technology being used by single males(but not gay or lesbian couples) and they’ll concoct a pretext for this exact purpose. Maybe the fear of child abuse and paedophilia with links to single males. I foresee such technology only being usable by “families” with circumstantial limiters.

        Surely you’re not so naive to think that these groups dont have a vested interest in seeing that such technology be heavily regulated in their favour and that they wont act immediately by swinging all their weight around as strongly as possible in the face a technology that would threaten their grip on society.

        At least that’s what I see happening everywhere in the Anglo world.

        East Asia, like Japan or Korea could be a totally different scenario, with such technology being welcomed with much eagerness as a quick cure for dwindling and aging populations.

        • Some conservatives circles are already getting started by primitively indoctrinating their flock into opposition.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdsNra6TolA

          Zero hour will contain a lot more vitriol. And will be wide spread in every religious congregation,conservative political gathering and publication.

          Feminists groups will have their own campaigns and spin tactics.

        • Conservative Judeo-Christian religious morality is on the wane, their power will not be enough to quell single males using technology in lieu of women to start families. They failed with gay marriage and that was the single greatest blasphemy their minds could conjure outside of abortion, which they have consistently failed with.

          My only worry would be leftist PC morality, being much more complex in nature and not deriving from a book which can be easily refuted, it is surprisingly popular among imbeciles. If they can convince the world that it’s discrimination when boys do better in school, but evidence of scholastic superiority when girls do, they may yet convince people that it’s wrong when straight men use this technology and right when gays and lesbians (who have two perfectly good wombs) do.

          In that case, I would probably claim I’m some kind of male-to-female-to-male lesbian transsexual and rely on the fact that these people are too stupid to realize that makes me a heterosexual man,and use the technology anyway.

        • That was in reference to a comment effectively claiming that businesses and government are in a conspiracy to use artificial wombs to turn us into slaves. Conservatives and feminists uniting to block artificial wombs.

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