May 212011
 

Thanks to everyone who has been helping with my search to find out if Andrea Dworkin was afraid of men being able to have babies without women via technology.  It looks like the answer was yes.  It was probably in her book “Right Wing Women”.  Unfortunately I can’t get an exact quote since that part of the book isn’t online, and I’m trying to avoid actually paying for a copy of that book.  However I was able to find something that pretty much confirms that Dworkin did say something like, “As soon as men have figured out how to have babies without women, it will be the end of women kind, it will be the coming gynocide.”:

It’s not just Dworkin.  There is a lot of feminists who are paranoid of artificial wombs and other reproductive technologies.  I spent a long time laughing at “spermocracy”.

While I would like a direct quote from Dworkin, I think we have an answer.

  39 Responses to “Feminist Paranoia About Artificial Wombs And Other Reproductive Technologies”

  1. At first I was like ‘Surely feminists want artificial wombs’. Means they don’t have to abide by ‘gender roles’ at all.

    Then of course, making artificial wombs will totally crash the system. Every man with an ounce of sense will get the snip, and have kids on his terms.

  2. They simply can’t think otherwise…I think some sort of pity is in order.

    • No…pity’s not the feeling I’m going for…in truth, I feel nothing for them and only outrage when someone gives these people Voice like they do.

  3. Sounds like projection to me. Some of these feminists certainly do want to exterminate men.

    I really don’t get it. I don’t know any me who want to get rid of women, for all their foibles, they are still kind of nice to have around.

    • Exactly. Projection. Feminists hate men. They can’t understand that men, for all their ‘gender hate’, actually like women when they aren’t being total cunts.

      • That’s because you’re dealing with a Borderline Personality Disordered person when you face a Feminist. Seriously. If you don’t know what that means, go Google for the term. Projection’s one of the stock in trade things they do. They live with little more than their feelings- to them their feelings define them and everything around them. They can’t understand- because it’s nothing that fits into their current set of feelings. They will literally make things out of the whole cloth to validate the feelings, right or wrong (typically wrong) they’re feeling at the time they feel them. And to them, they’re not lying- it’s the truth.

  4. Matt wrote:
    Sounds like projection to me. Some of these feminists certainly do want to exterminate men.

    They may, but they’ll get an unpleasant reminder as to how unrealistic that is whenever their car breaks down and they call AAA to bail them out. Guess who always drives the tow truck? It isn’t a woman.

    Valerie Solanas wrote about getting rid of men through the use of reproductive technology. The one small flaw in her plan was that men are the originators of technology, not women.

    I really don’t get it. I don’t know any me who want to get rid of women, for all their foibles, they are still kind of nice to have around.

    There is the prospect of VR porn and sex robots in the not-too-distant future to give men sexual independence from women. I can’t think of a faster way to bust up what Shopenbecq cals the sexual trade union. And somewhat farther away we’ll also have artificial wombs which will make men reproductively independent. But since they’re almost inevitable, maybe feminists should stop being such a pain in the ass and be nice once in a while.

    • But since they’re almost inevitable, maybe feminists should stop being such a pain in the ass and be nice once in a while.

      No kidding. We already have men who are going ghost and having nothing to do with women because they’re tired of women being such a pain in the ass. With more options the number of men who have nothing (or even just less) to do with women will increase. Women should start acting nicer and better but for the most part that will not happen. This will just push more and more men to VR sex, sexbots, and artificial wombs.

  5. In 2010, researchers from the University of Washington and the University of Queensland in Brisbane, Australia, estimated global maternal mortality in 2008 at 342,900 . Even one preventable death of a mother during childbirth is one too many. Support artificial womb technology and save the lives of millions of mothers around the world and spare children the heartbreak of never seeing their mum.

  6. Saige wrote:
    In 2010, researchers from the University of Washington and the University of Queensland in Brisbane, Australia, estimated global maternal mortality in 2008 at 342,900 .

    What percentage of these are in third-world shitholes? That’s one of the wonders of modern first-world obstetrics – it’s made the level of maternal and infant mortality plummet.

    Even one preventable death of a mother during childbirth is one too many. Support artificial womb technology and save the lives of millions of mothers around the world and spare children the heartbreak of never seeing their mum.

    If a feminist like Gena Corea ever whines about reproductive technologies making women obsolete, an easy counter is how many lives have been saved by them. The sexual trade union is going to have a rough time interdicting something that benefits us all.

  7. The permanent tole that pregnancy can have on a mothers body and quality of life is devesting. Physical deformity, post natal depression and lack of adequate spousal support and time off work can all contribute to a mothers heartache, suffering . Damaging her career, lifestyle and her health. By supporting the development of artificial womb technology you’ll help to alleviate the suffering and improve the lives and choices of mothers everywhere.

    • You know…if they opt to have children, THAT is their career for that time- not this other stuff. If you’re talking the other stuff (which you are), you’re talking the Ferminist line… You won’t have me agreeing with you in the slightest. No sympathy, no compassion in that regard, for it’s the Feminists that brought much of that misery to the Females of our species, calling it “Liberation”.

  8. The reproductive anxiety of inadequate females will not slow technological progress.

  9. Well so far women are winning the gendercide. http://rebukingfeminism.blogspot.com/2009/07/sperm-banks-men-for-sale.html

    Look how easy they have made it.

  10. Indeed this is projection. Again, from the link above you can see they are winning the gendercide.

  11. Red0660 says:
    Well so far women are winning the gendercide.

    http://rebukingfeminism.blogspot.com/2009/07/sperm-banks-men-for-sale.html

    You sure about that? There have been more than a few complaints about sperm donation shortages in the past few years. It seems to be tied in with the reversing of confidentiality laws. There have also been cases of sperm donors being successfully sued for child support. I’m not sure that feminists have the brainpower to understand that giving the woman the power to change her mind is going to lead to a whole lot of unintended consequences.

    Look how easy they have made it.

    It isn’t “easy”. Getting a 40-something careerist woman to conceive by artificial means and become a single mom is still incredibly expensive and inefficient. The only thing sustaining it is affirmative action and other methods of extracting wealth from men and transferring them to women. The gendercide feminists want to commit on men is a pipe dream because they need us more than we need them.

  12. It is far more likely that women will have the ability to reproduce without men prior to men gaining the ability to reproduce without women. It is already possible to produce sperm cells from female stem cells, though as of yet these sperm aren’t capable of fertilizing an egg.

    • I doubt that but even if that ended up being true, a woman having children without a man won’t get her a child support check. The government jobs that many women have are already starting to evaporate. Women for the most part will not be able to afford having children on their own.

      • The government is and will continue to be happy to support women with children. This won’t change simply because the child is fatherless. In fact the child would have 2 mothers to help support it if the government won’t.

        This is one reason I think that feminists tend to support same sex marriage. women banding together to raise female children. No men involved. These children would necessarily be female since no male contribution is made therefore no Y chromosome. If this does occur, there would be an increase in the female birthrate with a corresponding decrease in the male birthrate. This could eventually result in the reduction and control over the male population that feminists have desired.

        • You’re letting your fantasies run away from you. The bottom line is who’s going to pay for all of this and enforce it? Women do none of that – enforcement is always done by men.

  13. TDOM says:
    05/23/2011 at 11:53 AM

    It is far more likely that women will have the ability to reproduce without men prior to men gaining the ability to reproduce without women.

    I’m not really convinced of that. And if it happens that way, a few years isn’t going to make any difference.

    It is already possible to produce sperm cells from female stem cells, though as of yet these sperm aren’t capable of fertilizing an egg.

    I see very little difference between producing sperm from stem cells and producing eggs. On a more practical level, even the older, more established technologies (such as IVF) are wstill very expensive and inconvenient. It’s going to be quite some time before they’re commoditized.

    • It may or may not be just as easy to produce eggs from male stem cells. I haven’t heard of it being done. But even if it is, there is still a need for an artificial womb.

      Commoditizing the process will depend upon the demand. IVF has little demand because the old fashioned way works well for most people. However, the idea of life without males is quite appealing to a large number of women. there may be considerably more demand.

      • TDOM wrote:
        It may or may not be just as easy to produce eggs from male stem cells. I haven’t heard of it being done.</

        http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/05/030502075509.htm. This is an article from 2003.

        But even if it is, there is still a need for an artificial womb.

        Implanting an embryo within the uterus of a host species has already been done, although this probably wouldn’t be pursued with humans. There also have been instances of non-uterine births in humans, although they’re rare.

        Commoditizing the process will depend upon the demand. IVF has little demand because the old fashioned way works well for most people. However, the idea of life without males is quite appealing to a large number of women. there may be considerably more demand.

        Women are too economically dependent to be able to live a “life without males”, no matter how much they may want to.

        • I’m afraid the feminist, artificial wombs, sperm and eggs created from bone marrow are NOT about Women’s rights, but (Maybe) about the Monarchy and the Elite. Read or watch “Brave New World”

          To put it simple, women sold us all and our children into a genetic slavery.

  14. Isn’t it astonishing that when feminists like Dworkin, French, and Estrich speak of “cleansing” the Earth by committing wholesale gendercide against males, it’s free expression of their oh-so-righteous frustrations, but the development of an artificial womb is tantamount to a coming gynocide?

    Maybe we need to start writing books embracing these ideas and present them as satirical in nature. I personally don’t advocate genocide along any lines whatsoever, but why not express our anger with similar language?

  15. I would say creating eggs from sperm would be incredibly more difficult than vice versa – the sperm is just a vehicle, and lacks the kind of cellular machinery its counterpart possesses. For a man wanting to reproduce solo-style, synthetic biology would be necessary, and the whole process would be much more complex than the parthenogenesis the feminists would like to see.

    That said, as a transhumanist, I don’t see technical issues being most important here. It’s technically possible to a human head to be grafted onto another human body, many experiments having taken place over the decades on dogs and monkeys (see Dr. G.W White).

    But the science regulators don’t allow it, and its the same for most human cloning experiments. As a society, we have some strange taboos about our bodies, and that will surely work in the males favor when a feminist mad-scientist type wants to try something like this. The public backlash will be immediate, and the government response harsh and swift. If anything, an attempt would benefit the MRM movement, by making publicly known the crazed gendercidal fantasies of these man-haters.

  16. That is available TODAY. For $20,000. An artificial womb decades from now would surely cost at least that much.

    I concur with your analysis. I was just trying to counter TDOM’s ‘gloom and doom’ pontifications about how much farther along women are in reproductive independence then men. Just because misandrists have been writing about it longer than we have doesn’t make it so.

    (concerning apes as surrogates)
    I doubt that such a medical capability is so far fetched.

    It wouldn’t be, since cross-species surrogates have already been successfully used. Apes have always been dangerous and inconvenient to work with, but if we can use them for medical experiments, there’s no reason why they couldn’t be used this way. The barriers are ethical and sociological, not technological.

  17. Siege wrote:
    I would say creating eggs from sperm would be incredibly more difficult than vice versa – the sperm is just a vehicle, and lacks the kind of cellular machinery its counterpart possesses.

    If you read the article I referenced, it stated that eggs had already been successfully created from stem cells in mice. There’s no need to create eggs from sperm.

  18. I dunno, man, considering how MRAs have contemplated sending women to incinerators once they’ve been replaced by sexbots or put into virtual reality prisons once artificial wombs are perfected, I have to wonder whether or not feminist “paranoia” is all that unjustified. As the old saying goes, after all, just ’cause you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you.

    • I’ve never heard of this dissention person,and I’ve been reading MRA material for years, also, feminists have been threatening to kill or castrate 90% of all men on the planet and/or put them into concentration camps for 50 years, and you’re worried about men responding to that with more of the same?

      Excuse me?

      What goes around,comes around.

      The difference is that feminists are serious, they’re out there using dehumanization campaigns that inch us closer to the reality of their fanatical sadistic gendercidal fantasies, and MRA’s,not so much.

      A scant few of them may be talking in a hyperbolic fashion about it (very goddamn few),but none of them have the sadistic or sexist streak in them to motivate them to spend or appropriate millions to make it happen. However, turn on your tv sometime, it’s deadbeat dad this, violent men that, all serving to turn the public toward accepting any violence done to men in the name of “the greater good”. Just like Hitler did with the Jews.

    • The dissention guy is Advocatus Diaboli. He is not a MRA nor does he claim to be one. He’s similar to Obsidian in that he a contrarian troll.

      I read the second link and it’s clear that man is only talking about women who cause serious problems, like the kind of women who want to castrate all men or murder 90% of men. In other words no man would be thinking about VR prisons for some women if there was a sizable fraction of women causing problems in the first place.

  19. Artificial Wombs Will Spawn New Freedoms

    May 26 2011

    http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/olson20110526

    The feminist perspective is very interesting.

  20. VR girls, robogirls and artificial wombs are the holy grail of male freedom. Once we no longer need women and abandon them to fend for themselves, men will finally be free. We will innovate faster and eventually explore the universe without women oppressing us. Almost all advanced alien societies are male only or genderless transhumanists.

    • true, accept the Vulcans, which reversed from being a great power base with fleets of starships, to being the Earth’s bitch and a matriarchal society under the bitch T’pol and her mother.

      I know it’s fictional, Vulcan culture is a hypothetical reality.

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  22. Go to your local library. They will probably have a copy you can borrow and read.

  23. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWE-0zGH54g

    31:30 onwards. Dwarkin quote if you’re still interested.

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