May 282011
 

Höllenhund posted three comments at Dalrock’s blog that are very good:

Stephenie,

your position is crystal clear and a repetition of what you’ve already said. Your greatest fear about the potential future fallout from the current mess is that women’s autonomy may get terminally eroded and some men may become such hardliners that they’d start killing feminists (which is the sort of utterly baseless, sensationalist “argument” one would expect to see on Jezebel.com). Your concern is thus mainly about the possible disadvantages women would suffer and not, say, the masses of men who would die horrific deaths in the same scenario.

I’ve seen examples of this self-serving female attitude before. Susan Walsh once said that the main reason why he wants men’s overall social condition to improve is because her female readers are interested in high-quality “eligible” mates. Kay Hymowitz also argued that men should “man up” and improve themselves because…the women want high-value mates.

All in all, I have never seen a single woman argue that she wants to see men’s grievances and problems addressed because she cares about them as her fellow human beings who deserve dignity and respect. What women say instead is that men should improve themselves in order to…provide women with the mates they want. In other words, women don’t believe that men’s prosperity is a worthy goal in itself. Women think it’s self-evident that men just OWE them various things.

I find it funny – easy to explain and not terribly surprising, but nevertheless funny – that virtually all women and the majority of men go through life under the assumption that women have enormous social value just by virtue of being women; that they are the ultimate prize in men’s lives; that their uteruses are worth their weight in gold.

We can observe this gynocentric attitude in society’s general treatment of male-female relationships. By and large, society considers it self-evident that a young woman should be picky when choosing a mate because she’s the prize and she deserves the best she can get by virtue of having an uterus, whereas a young man should pretty much have no standards and should just believe that any woman who agrees to put up with him is somehow God’s gift to him.

He continues with:

For the sake of argument, I’ll try to illustrate the absurdity of this attitude by offering a hypothetical scenario. Let’s suppose one of the well-known male journalists wrote something like this:

“I think women’s overall social condition is worrying. They need our help and advice. I believe we should encourage young women to stay thin, develop a positive, cheerful nature and learn how to be good lovers, because these are the sort of mates the average young man is interested in.”

All feminists and virtually all women would go apeshit and this man would lose his job the next day. Reverse the roles, and it’s just business as usual in the current media.

He ends with:

I think Butterfly Flower’s comments illustrate something profound with regard to female attitudes towards the MRM.

We all know traditionalist women routinely complain about the supposed fatalism of the MRM. If you ask them about this, they will of course tell you that what they object to is nihilist MRAs “whining”, “sitting around complaining” and rejecting traditionalist roles instead of manning up and doing something against the feminist system and proposing societal solutions. If you ask me, I think what really bothers them about the MRM is something completely different: the message of male self-preservation.

This is something incomprehensible to traditionalist women because they have always operated under the assumption that men are uncomplaining, expendable provider and protector mules who will accept any sacrifice society and women demand of them. But now we have a growing number of young men seeing both the patriarchy and feminism for the shams they are, refusing existing gender roles, going their own way and practicing self-preservation, becoming asshole cads etc. MRA authors encourage them not to take unnecessary risks, not to become victims, to consider marriage only optional, to carefully weigh their options and care about their own well-being. This phenomenon is almost unprecedented in human history and to the average traditionalist mind it falls in the “does not compute” category.

It is especially unnerving for traditionalist women because what they actually want is a sort of “soft landing” after the excesses of the past 40-50 years, a scenario where women only have to suffer minimal damage as men decide to adopt traditionalism, “grow a pair”, defeat the feminist monster and accept patriarchal roles again. What they actually want men to do is to band together under the rightist flag, mount a heroic frontal assault against the feminist pillboxes, suffer enormous losses – all right-wing ideologies just love the idea of martyrdom, after all – but eventually reach victory, reestablish the patriarchy, wipe the leftist blood from their bayonets and then graciously offer women the role of SAHM so that these precious creatures can once again grace with their presence the lives of the manly men who deserve it. In their minds, men only exist as providers (read: mules), white knights and heroic martyrs who sacrifice themselves for their morally pure, angelic women.

But men are wising up and telling them to suck it – in growing numbers. Traditionalist women are resorting to their old tricks, saying “the ultimate goal of the patriarchy is to benefit men”, but more and more men are realizing it’s bullshit. Some of these women started opportunistically sniffing around the MRM, hoping to find patriarchal knights in shining armor just dying to rescue the damsels in distress and slay the feminist dragon in mortal fight, but the MRM rejects them. These women actually believe that even after the decades of fire, destruction and suffering unleashed by the feminist culture war, if they simply say “I want to be a rightist SAHM”, men will grow a pair and sign up for marriage 1.0 like the mules they are, as if nothing happened in the past 40 years. What they don’t realize is that the blinders are off, women have revealed themselves for what they truly are and the trust between the genders is terminally broken. Even legal reform couldn’t resuscitate the marriage rate. Even if a law is passed to benefit husbands, it can easily be repealed 5-10 years later and more and more men know this. Western civilization is dying, but men won’t save it for women. More and more of them will simply keep out of the blast wave and preserve themselves, only for themselves and nobody else.

  17 Responses to “A Trifecta From Höllenhund”

  1. Once men realize how fulfilling their life can be without women, or with minimal interaction, there really is no going back to the plantation.
    Take me, for example. For most of my young adult life, all I wanted was a reasonably smart, cute, and good-natured mate. And I was (still am) a good catch. Tall, good looking, funny, productive, smart, loyal. And I wasn’t a pushover or a doormat.
    I wasn’t chasing models, hitting up bar skanks, or looking for notches on my bedpost. AYet I was faced with a sea of women who ignored me and mistreated me, while they chased the players. So I learned some game, and got notches on my bedpost. Why not? Give the women what they want, and take what you can.

    But I quickly grew tired of that. Declared abstinence, and went several years without touching a woman. Guess what? Didn’t miss it one bit. Or put differently, the drawbacks outweighed the benefits. I am no longer celibate but I still limit my interactions with women to an absolute minimum. I will never, ever go back to being that good guy interested in a good relationship I once was. And no amount of shaming, preaching, or NAWALT is going to bring me back.

    women have to realize when they keep hitting men with hammers, we eventually notice we’re getting hit with hammers. It’s a sad state of affairs that the most empathy women can muster is “Uh oh, this societal trend is bad for women. We’d better start making nice.”

    Forget it, ladies. You deserve what’s coming to you.

  2. Thanks PMAFT,

    I would have missed this – pure excellence

    And well said to Herbal Essence.

    As some one recently said (somewhere)

    “Did women think that we couldn’t hear the hate?”

    WTF did they expect? Well they expected what Hollenhund described – tough fucking shit ‘ladiez’

  3. “All in all, I have never seen a single woman argue that she wants to see men’s grievances and problems addressed because she cares about them as her fellow human beings who deserve dignity and respect. What women say instead is that men should improve themselves in order to…provide women with the mates they want. In other words, women don’t believe that men’s prosperity is a worthy goal in itself. Women think it’s self-evident that men just OWE them various things.”

    Maybe this is why the Liberal women (NF & SFP) are SO opposed to Ayn Rand. She said, “Man’s life is an end in itself.” Ooooohh, they HATE that..

  4. @Jeffrey of Troy

    Most men and women, no matter their politics, hate Ayn Rand because she was a psychopath who put her own twisted philosophy above the need for compassion and justice. But that aside…

    Thanks for bringing attention to these eloquent comments by Hollenhund. From the 60’s onwards there was no going back. The feminists have dug their own grave, and created a generation with an ‘every man for himself’ mentality and no wish to settle down. The most tragic thing is that they still continue their assault on traditional manhood. Like a moth drawn to a flame, women will continue alienating their former protectors and providers, until there isn’t a man left alive who will put up with their nonsense.

    • What lie did she tell? Who did she cheat? From whom did she steal? Smearing her as a psychopath identifies you as an idiot.

      No, she loved greatness, and hated the worthless pieces of shit who could not create greatness if their lives depended on it, but who felt entitled to own and control the products of that greatness anyway.

  5. Thankyou Hollenhund for spelling it out so superbly.

  6. Jeffrey of Troy wrote:
    What lie did she tell? Who did she cheat? From whom did she steal? Smearing her as a psychopath identifies you as an idiot.

    I wouldn’t be too sure of that. Rand was a big admirer of William Edward Hickman, who unquestionably was a psychopath. His many crimes included the murder of a 12-year-old girl. There’s more about it here if you care to read it. I agree with the author in that her idolization of Hickman gives some important clues about her psychology.

    No, she loved greatness,

    That’s not saying much. Who doesn’t love greatness?

    and hated the worthless pieces of shit who could not create greatness if their lives depended on it, but who felt entitled to own and control the products of that greatness anyway.

    You’ve been reading too much of the Fountainhead, which promotes a bankrupt view of human nature. I don’t see us turning into a bunch of autonomous supermen anytime soon.

  7. Here’s an excellent article by Fred Reed with some keen insights on the nature of women.

    http://fredoneverything.net/SexualFuture.shtml

    I’ll comment on two of them :
    (1) Women tend to be oblivious to their dependence on men. F. Roger Devlin has also mentioned this in his works, and believes it’s an artifact of our evolutionary past where men had to protect women and children to ensure their survival. So women’s innate psychology predisposes them to take male protection and services for granted (although they will be outraged by its absence).

    (2) Men produce (invent things), women consume (use things men have created). Since women have evolved to be as effective as possible in extracting resources from men, it’s very difficult for them to step outside that mental “box” and care about men in a different context. That’s why Susan Walsh’s “concern” about men appears so much like the “concern” a farmer has for the goose that laid the golden egg.

  8. Susan Walsh is definitely one of the worst offenders for that kind of triumphant female solipsism (her careerist shtick reminds me of way too many girls I knew at school who I’d rather forget). The idea of her being some matronly guru really bothers me as well — people her age destroyed the old rules and created a nightmare waste of bitterness and confusion, and now she has the gall to act like she can teach us them again?

    • Susan Walsh has noticed that men are increasingly refusing be slaves on the plantation. She is hoping with a minor and meaningless (to men) change she can force men back on to the plantation to be slaves for women. Obviously it isn’t working.

      • Walsh has noticed, but not connected the dots. She kind of sort of understands hypergamy but can’t seem to realize what the combination of female hypergamy, the glass floor created by Affirmative Action and 30 years of misandry in the K-12 system is adding up to.

        For sure the only thing that concerns her is women. Men are just objects, tools to be used. A lot like the unThinking Housewife in that regards.

  9. The house bubble went out with a bang and so will the misandry bubble. It won’t be a soft landing and women are going to have to figure out how to fend for themselves. Even those few men who are thinking of “forgiving” women will change their mind when they try out virtual girls of 2020.

  10. This is an outstanding piece. Absolutely can’t say enough about it. Every piece, of every statement, solid gold.

  11. I think I’ll do it but I don’t offer a deadline, so to speak.Should I send it to you or PMAFT?

  12. I agree. Submit it to The Spearhead. That way it will have the largest readership.

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