Jun 082010
 

Those of you familiar with my body of work of conspiracy theories know I have asked the question of how conspiracy theorists separate out disinformation.  This isn’t just a problem of supposed disinformation agents.  Trolls are a big problem.  In the past I was deeply involved in the internet trolling community, and I am still a member in good standing.  I have known several guys who troll conspiracy theorists.  A few of the common conspiracy theories were at least in part created by trolls.

There’s a commenter at Roissy’s blog that goes by the name “GreatBooksForMen”.  I always ignored him.  It turns out he was taken seriously.  The latest can be read at Ferdinand’s blog.  The people who troll conspiracy theorists are usually more subtle.  They also write complete sentences that are clear and concise.  I can’t believe so many people fell for GBFM’s trolls.  He’s laughing at you guys who take him seriously especially if you stand on your head doing contortions claiming that he “can’t be taken literally”.  GBFM is not the Oracle at Delphi.  (Maybe the problem is that I’m a reptile alien.  To reptile aliens the purpose of communication to clearly and efficiently transfer information.  I know its a bit different for you humans.)

I probably should say something about White and Nerdy’s (the guy behind the Omega Virgin Revolt blog) calling HL and others manginas but I can’t after HL attacked him for being a virgin.  Since when is getting laid or being in a relationship a litmus test around here?  I’m sure I fail since since I lost my virginity late.  Welmer fails because he really wants nothing to do with women anymore.  All the ghosts in this part of the internet fail and that by definition means that a large part of the MGTOW fail too.  White and Nerdy did have some good points in trying to get some basic direct facts together, saying what you mean, and most importantly that misandry is the central problem men face.  I have been saying that misandry is the central problem men face for a long time, and it’s good to see that others are getting it.

  29 Responses to “When Conspiracy Theorists Get Trolled”

  1. Since when is getting laid or being in a relationship a litmus test around here?
    It’s not, contrary to what some in the manosphere seem to think. This is one thing that frustrates me about game blogs with the alpha, beta, omega categories. Sex and relationships are just one area in life where people can have success and while it’s likely frustrating to not be successful in this area, this is not a measure of the man. The same for men who choose to drop out of the dating world altogether.

  2. I didn’t attack him for not getting laid…he was attacking me! He called me a mangina…at first I was a bit puzzled…but after reading his blog and his comments, I think I understand now – he’s one of those extremely angry and bitter Incels. Fact is, he is easily offended by feminists using “shaming” language, than turns around and uses the exact same tactic on me.

    I get it. He’s taking his sexual frustration out on anyone that disagrees with him. All I was saying was I understood where he was coming from based on his blog.

    • BTW, he seems to look up to you. Well, PMAFT, you took the initiative to challenge yourself and change your personal situation.

      W&N seems to have thrown in the towel on the possibility of working on himself, and has simply taken the tack that all problems he’s experienced are solely the fault of women. He’s basically the mirror image of the unreasonable and illogical feminists that blame everything on men.

      I agree with you that misandry is definitely a huge problem for we men. My whole thing about “conspiracy” started with my investigation into WHY and HOW we arrived at this current point in time in which societal misandry is our reality.

      • W&N seems to have thrown in the towel on the possibility of working on himself, and has simply taken the tack that all problems he’s experienced are solely the fault of women. He’s basically the mirror image of the unreasonable and illogical feminists that blame everything on men.
        It seems to me W&N is accepting the situation and playing the hand life dealt him the best he can. What you and others might call “throwing in the towel” is a form of adaptation to make the best of life, meaning he’s working on himself in a different way than getting game.

        Although the situations are not exactly the same, the sorts of advice Gamers will give a man like W&N or what used to be said to PM/AFT reminds me of the advice people like to give me about pregnancy and adoption. The people that do this have absolutely no idea what it’s like to have multiple miscarriages and a blood clotting disorder, yet they think they “get” it. Due to their self-centered attitude, they don’t see that many of my life choices that seem to be throwing in the towel are accepting my fate and making the choice to have a good life despite the setback and not wallow in self-pity. This same scenario seems to be played out when telling men to go get some game and it will change their life.

        • You know Hestia, if you go back and re-read our initial disagreement at Ferdinand’s, I never used shaming language on him, never told him to “get game” or to “man up.”

          No, he logged on and insulted me, called me a crackpot, and a mangina…and I never even heard of the guy or his blog before.

          But I see after your response on his blog, he’s calling me a joke and all sorts of things and saying I’M the one using shaming language and treating him unjustly.

        • I did read your initial disagreement, but did not have that in mind when I made the comment here. My thoughts were sparked by the part of your comment I mentioned in my own. I didn’t mean my comment as a judgement against you or to offend you, just simply wanted to point out that there is very well more to the situation of a man like W&N than “throwing in the towel”. Much as there is more to your relationship than you “living a lie” in your marriage as I’ve seen others say about you in the past. Game is a tool, not the end all, be all. None of you guys should be judged based on your success in relationships when there is so much more to manhood than sex.

          I have no ill will towards either you or W&N. In fact, I like both of you guys and appreciate both your POVs. Even your conspiracy theory talk. 😉

        • HL, the conspiracy theory community is filled with manginas or really white knights. Women are never held responsible for their actions because the “problem” is always something else (Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Illuminati, NWO, reptile aliens or whatever). Claiming that 9/11 was done by the government or that there are FEMA death camps seems silly when there is a massive divorce industry, DV industry, sexual harassment industry, etc.

          Anything that gets brought up about feminism just gets thrown into the “depopulation agenda” box. I talked about the misandry inherent in the depopulation agenda concepts on The Spearhead. Instead of exposing how men are actually losing their freedom, we have Henry Makow telling us porn is a plot of the Illuminati and Alex Jones giving us grainy videos supposedly of Bohemian Grove instead of actually filming what happens in divorce court where men actually lose their freedoms. Even Globalman has been a white knight at least once when he claimed that now the Illuminati are going to go after women and they successfully tricked men into going a long with it as if some minor victory is evidence for men is evidence of an Illuminati plot.

          HL, I know you so I know better, but anyone who doesn’t know you doesn’t. You have a real problem with guilt by association when it comes to conspiracy theory. Since conspiracy theorists have missed the biggest loss of freedom occurring today, what is happening to men, this looks like white knighting to men who understand men’s rights and the issues of fighting for them.

    • I realize that he called you a mangina. Put that aside for a minute so I can explain what is likely happening.

      I know you and know where you are coming from. Someone like White and Nerdy doesn’t. If you really read his blog then you would know about some of the things women have done to him like the sexual harassment crap he’s been through which he’s said is just a fraction of what has been done to him. It’s safe to say that the Federal Reserve did not order or want this treatment of White and Nerdy or other men like him. Women did these things to him. Looking at it from an outside perspective of someone who doesn’t know you, HL, it looks like you are white knighting for women. It doesn’t help that you look like you’re using standard feminist canards such as “sexual frustration” (which is “can’t get laid”) and triangulation nonsense by claiming he’s the mirror image of feminists.

      I have said that women are the problem too and everything I said there is still true.

      He talks about shaming language a lot. So do I. So do many others. There’s a reason the Catalog of Anti-Male Shaming Tactics exists and I have it listed as a must read.

      I’m not surprised he things game is shaming language. He is ghosting (not an incel) and there has been an anti-ghosting streak in the game community. There shoudn’t be. Ghosting is a valid way of dealing with feminism and what women have become. There’s also the fact that women like Cecilia and Susan Walsh are promoting game for its use in an anti-male manner.

      We need White and Nerdy’s voice because he provides a sober reality check against game triumphalism. It’s now estimated by guys like Obsidian that game only works for 10%-20% of men. Game isn’t going to save us and White and Nerdy reminds us of that. More importantly we have to stop making getting laid/being in a relationship the measure of a man as Hestia says. In the MRAsphere we should be doing that. I did not “challenge myself” or “improve myself” or “work on myself” because self-improvement for men is not defined by women. Telling White and Nerdy to “work on himself” so he can get laid/get a girlfriend is nonsense. Our lives are not defined by women. On a personal level I am the exact same man now that I was a year ago. My views were the same then and now. Banging three women didn’t change anything about me. Thinking that such a thing could make a difference is supplicating to women.

      Lastly, none of this is helped by being taken in by an obvious troll like Greatbooksformen. Go to any conspiracy board there are some trolls there. This isn’t a matter of hearsay. I know guys who do this type of thing. Of course they’re more subtle than GBFM and they write in actual sentences. Yes, you have been trolled by GBFM and others too.

      • There’s also the fact that women like Cecilia and Susan Walsh are promoting game for its use in an anti-male manner.
        Do you have any links? I’d be curious to read this.

        • You are not a regular reader of Cecilia’s blog, then..
          Granted ..Susan Walsh is a fff .. fool!

          Cecilia, does not promote game for it’s use in an anti male manner!!

          She is very much pro game for guys.. Her own hubby controls her well with game… she knows it too and is happy to succumb..

          The thing with Cecilia is she is upright and honest to a fault..
          Some prissy women , on the other hand will feign indignation and offence at innocuous comments from a friend.. who good naturedly winks and suggests that the marital bed will indeed be getting a workout as hubby will be arriving home soon from a tour of duty.. Gasp..Shock horror!

          These same prissy women will tolerate comments from strange men that they really know nothing about.. And, link to their blogs which often contain material of a pornographic nature. eg

          ” XXX If you promise to make me a sandwich some day, preferably as we eat and toast over the feminist charred remains of a collapsed misandric system, then I will temporarily grant you a pair of balls. Maybe you can go down to the local porn shop and buy a strap on and you can wear it as you comment here. lolz”

          Not a peep of protest from the redhead, over such an inappropriate and personal comment..

          Ah.. the hypocrisy…

        • Kathy keep your problems with other people off my blog.

        • I didn’t save links for this sort of thing. Susan Walsh’s blog is a hookingupsmart.com. You will have to wade through women whining about how they can’t figure out after several times that sticking their hand in the fire is bad. Her deal is that she claims to “not be a feminist” because she has some minor disagreement with sex positive ideology. She is “pro-game” because otherwise she would have to tell women whining on her blog to change their behavior. Game allows her to hammer men and avoid issues like how men are avoiding marriage and thus commitment of any kind with women because of divorce law and anti-male laws in general.

          Cecilia’s blog is at http://traditionalmarriage.wordpress.com/. She has also gone by the name Alte and ButterflySquash. I was able to find a few examples of Cecilia’s promotion of game for anti-male ends:

          http://traditionalmarriage.wordpress.com/2010/04/27/are-you-a-chump/
          The problem with this is that if a man is a “chump” Cecilia is claiming that he deserves to get divorced because the husband is failing to be a “real man” by learning game. I have seen variants of this argument in the game sphere such as if a man gets caught in the sexual harassment industry he deserves to lose his job because he failed to game his female coworkers. It has the same theme of avoiding talking about how laws are anti-male and blaming the male victims.

          http://traditionalmarriage.wordpress.com/2010/02/23/religious-men-know-game-too/
          http://traditionalmarriage.wordpress.com/2010/02/22/traditional-men-know-game/
          Here are a couple of links where Cecilia talks about how game is a default among religious and traditional men. (Some of this depends on how you define game.) The implication is that since game is supposedly the default standard for men that it all the fault of men if women do something wrong. As we know even the most conservative churches have been feminized. There is nothing backing up most religious and traditional men outside of some very unusual cases (i.e. the Fundamentalist LDS Church). Again rather than deal with anti-male laws or feminized churches, men are the ones who get blamed because “they should have had better game”.

          The best example I could find for Cecilia was from Obsidian’s blog where she attacks White and Nerdy by giving him “game tips” since W&N stood up for himself by refusing to take blame for things he didn’t do and obviously could not have done:
          http://theobsidianfiles.wordpress.com/2010/04/27/a-word-from-neil-style-strauss-about-haters-of-the-game/#comment-11177

          There is a lot in common between Cecilia and Susan Walsh. They used to support each other big time despite their political differences (right vs. left), but they had some falling out over some disagreement that any man would consider incredibly minor. It’s an example of various forms of female supremacism coming together to take down men (until they have some very minor disagreement they can’t work out).

  3. These same prissy women will tolerate comments from strange men that they really know nothing about.. And, link to their blogs which often contain material of a pornographic nature. eg

    Kathy, I don’t publish porn on my blog. There is no penetration or anything that cannot be found in a art history book or modern art exhibit(which does sometimes depict porn). What is your problem with Hestia? She is one of the few female in this sphere that I like. Thats why I said she could by some fake balls and hang out in my trollspace. Balls/y-chromosome are necessary for my TrollKingdom. lolzcatz.

    This is new and a great idea. Post what you have been blogging or trolling this week.
    ***TROLLKINGDOM WEEKLY TROLL LINK EXTRAVAGANZA****
    http://trollkingdom.blogspot.com/2010/06/weekly-troll-link-extravaganza.html
    Enjoy,
    Your Majesty, The Apex Predator of the Internetz,
    The Troll King
    http://trollkingdom.blogspot.com

    • TrollKing, I have no beef with you mate.
      What you do on your site is your business.. And as you said women are not welcome..
      You have have had a very tough gig.. What with your feminist mother and all..
      Having said that though ..of course your pics are porn.. ffs! The women are naked in sexually provocative poses(some masturbating) exposing their genitalia.

      My problem with Hestia?

      She is an ingratiating hypocrite..

      She would not like her own daughter to view such demeaning and denigrating pics such as the ones that you post on your blog.. However she will still post a link via her blog.

      Tells me much about her character..

      • For me to be a hypocrite would have to require that I have issues with porn or do not allow my daughter to see nudity, neither of which are true. As frequent visitors to art museums and galleries, Peapod has seen erotica and artful nudes. As a Le Leche League peer counselor, she has seen the breasts of many nursing mothers. As a child who lives in a military town, she sees a street lined with strip clubs, prostitutes, sex toy shops, and questionable billboards whenever we drive to base. My husband and I also have a bookshelf tucked away in our bedroom where we keep erotic poetry, erotica art books, the kama sutra, botanica erotica, and other such books, the sort of stuff we wouldn’t share with other adults who come into our home either. Neither my husband nor myself believe there is anything denigrating or demeaning about heterosexuality as showcased in much of these works.

        We’ve had age appropriate discussions about all of this already and will continue to do so as she grows older, much as we do for war, politics, violence, and other issues that aren’t “child friendly” but are part of her little life and the big large world. We believe firmly in sheltering children in the same way you shelter tomato plants when you start them from seed. You first grow them in the safe temperature controlled environment of the indoors, but slowly you must expose them to the elements so that they are prepared and their roots can be firmly planted in the ground. My parents did the same with us girls. Once we hit the age of fourteen, we had non-censored internet and library cards as they believed we were old enough to explore, ask questions, and make sense of the world on our own with their guidance always being available.

        Our child, our choice.

        • Sounds like you know what you are doing with your child, Hestia. I congratulate you both, as I believe yours is truly the wisest course.

      • Kathy, STOP IT. You’re out of line here and I’m not going to let my blog be used for your tiffs.

  4. “There is a lot in common between Cecilia and Susan Walsh. They used to support each other big time despite their political differences (right vs. left), but they had some falling out over some disagreement that any man would consider incredibly minor.”

    Bullshit! PM!

    Susan made a couple of comments at Cecilia’s before Cec realized her true colors, and sent her packing!

    Walsh is an insidious snake!

  5. Hawaiin Libertarian is a good guy and a decent contributer to the Spearhead despite our disagreement about conspiracy. He has made some genuine contributions to both help men with game and help integrate game into the larger men’s movement as one of the opitions available besides ghosting. I find him also to be mostly a respectful person who can be argued with and yet have the expectation he will operate in good faith. Lastly, I don’t know why W&N acted as he did, but I don’t think Dave was trying to shame him.

    Now that being said, PMAFT your critique of many of those who hang on blogs such as The Spearhead and post conspiracy after conspiracy post is right on, and W&N is even correct probably more than half the time that these men tend to act like mangina’s and ascribe no agency whatsoever to women in the general collapse of western culture.

    • Hawaiian Libertarian is a good guy. His stuff on LTR game is great and the thing about going your own way is that its your way not anyone elses. Many men’s ways is to go ghost but its not every mans.

      I don’t know what W&N’s deal with HL is but I suspect that it’s a case of guilt by association. I saw that W&N has posted a new post on his blog about the subject. Reading that post W&N’s frustration is understandable. Most of the time conspiracy theorists are saying things that are outright crazy and borderline gibberish. W&N hits on how conspiracy theorists for the most part (as is not HL) are indistinguishable from general manginas or white knights. Look at the stuff W&N uncovered. Instead of pointing out that women are responsible for their actions, these nutters are saying that looking at porn makes you a homosexual and that masturbation is an Illuminati plot.

      And then there’s Globalman with his own unique insanity.

      HL is great but if he wants more people to give him a fair hearing there has to be purge of the crazies from the conspiracy theory part of the internet. And if possible the trolls as well.

      • You know what PMAFT, fuck W&N. He’s a fucking asshole.

        He attacked me and called me a mangina right out of the gate, before I even knew he existed.

        I tried to play nice and respectful with him, and he continues to attack me like that. Fuck him.

        You know what…he’s a whining fucking little bitch. Big fucking deal that he had some women push sexual harassment charges on him. Dude has not gotten over it. Did he get fired? Did he go to jail? From his account, NO. But he’s acting like a feminist douchebag that goes into a hissy fit everytime she recounts that one time she got too drunk and didn’t consent…she was RAPED and she will NEVER get over it!

        That’s how W&N is acting. What a whining, pathetic pussy.

        Having guys like you support his rationalization and justification for being an asshole and calling me a mangina only emboldens his sense of being an entitled victim. He’s acting like a whiny little bitch.

        I don’t care how fucking crazy you or he thinks Henry Mankow is, I’ve done nothing to deserve him attacking me like that out of the blue. He says I’m a mangina for being a ‘conspiracy theosrist”…but he doesn’t post ANYTHING from my blog postings or the Spearhead to make his case as to why he started attacking me….no he posts all Mankow stuff as his reasons for calling ME a mangina.

        Fuck him.

        if he wants more people to give him a fair hearing there has to be purge of the crazies from the conspiracy theory part of the internet.

        Nah…fuck that. I’ve belabored over and over again to try and point out what things of “CT” I find to at least have some very real evidence supporting whatever I’ve studied..and what is no doubt crazy shit.

        But I don’t give a fuck. I blog for myself and my own reasons, not to gain anyone’s “approval.” I could care less about getting a “fair hearing.” But what I DO care about, is assholes like W&N taking their bitterness and frustration out on guys like me out of the blue and calling me a mangina, when I am basically on his side. I’ve done nothing but try to help people in understanding some of the things that I’ve figured out…and I’ve received literally hundreds of emails and comments from people thanking and encouraging me. But W&N is the first to simply attack me like that for no reason whatsoever.

        When he first attacked me…why I DID write an angry response, and I did indeed use “shaming” language making fun of his Omega status. Than I deleted it without posting over at In Mala Fide. I had some empathy and compassion for his situation. I tried to make it straight with him with a non-inflammatory, non-insulting comment on his blog. His response? To call me the “jester” of the Spearhead and a mangina.

        Fuck W&N, he’s a fucking crybaby whining about women because he can’t get laid…most likely because he’s a social retard. That’s not shaming language. That’s the fucking truth.

  6. […] how conspiracy theorists are manginas.  I gave several examples from Henry Makow’s blog.  Dave from Hawaii read it and claimed I didn’t make a case because I didn’t post anything…  His blog proves he is a mangina.  He is not on the side of guys like me or men in […]

  7. I just want to point out something here. Hestia has avoided talking in sexually explicit terms, she has obeyed the tenets of her religion in regards to sexual prohibitions, yet not even once has she ever been guilty of bible thumping. She doesn’t feel the need to publicly discuss what her favorite sex position, like Kathy does, yet she’s demonized for linking to a dudes site that has a couple of porn pics up there. Okay one more thing let’s just look at Kathy’s contribution to the online men’s movement…..NADA! Now let’s look at Hestia’s contribution, It’s substantial and much appreciated by MEN (as opposed to women). Cecilia on the other hand has had multiple relationships, god knows how much premarital sex, yet her loyal gabble of Catholics (including Kathy) do absolutely nothing but preach, moralize and talk about fucking their wives/husbands. Notice the difference. All I’ve ever heard Cecilia speak about is we need patriarchy because men are pathetic and unattractive without it. I say arrange the logs and kindling around the stake gentlemen, there’s a few more witches to be burned. The more I look the more I’m convinced that women must be even more discriminated against in this so called “movement”. Just look at this ridiculous shit they come up with. I am no white knight but I cannot stand by and see some annoying sanctimonious, bible thumping ocker try and defame the ONLY decent woman the ENTIRE manosphere. She actually cares about men because their human beings and their suffering, the Catholics and Cecilia’s pulpit only care because men because they no longer get their cunts wet. God riddance to all the worthless hangers on.

  8. […] Robbie Mcweisal wrote : I just want to point out something here. Hestia has avoided talking in sexually explicit terms, she has obeyed the tenets of her religion in regards to sexual prohibitions, yet not even once has she ever been guilty of bible thumping. She doesn’t feel the need to publicly discuss what her favorite sex position, like Kathy does, yet she’s demonized for linking to a dudes site that has a couple of porn pics up there. Okay one more thing let’s just look at Kathy’s contribution to the online men’s movement…..NADA! Now let’s look at Hestia’s contribution, It’s substantial and much appreciated by MEN (as opposed to women). Cecilia on the other hand has had multiple relationships, god knows how much premarital sex, yet her loyal gabble of Catholics (including Kathy) do absolutely nothing but preach, moralize and talk about fucking their wives/husbands. Notice the difference. All I’ve ever heard Cecilia speak about is we need patriarchy because men are pathetic and unattractive without it. I say arrange the logs and kindling around the stake gentlemen, there’s a few more witches to be burned. The more I look the more I’m convinced that women must be even more discriminated against in this so called “movement”. Just look at this ridiculous shit they come up with. I am no white knight but I cannot stand by and see some annoying sanctimonious, bible thumping ocker try and defame the ONLY decent woman the ENTIRE manosphere. She actually cares about men because their human beings and their suffering, the Catholics and Cecilia’s pulpit only care because men because they no longer get their cunts wet. God riddance to all the worthless hangers on. […]

  9. Look, I am TFL myself, W&N gets too overly emotional and gets this knee-jerk reaction towards “cospiracy theorists” merely because many of them are manginas, which I will agree with, however that doesn’t mean I should throw the baby out with the bath water. There is a virtual library’s-worth of evidence proving these “conspiracy theories.” Hell, look at your history books if you think “conspiracy theories” are that far fetched. Nazi germany, USSR, salem witch trials, slave trade, human trafficking, etc, these are all conspiracies, only a loon would deny any of this ever happened. Only a fool would put confidence and trust into government. Hell, you may as well trust lawyers and car dealers too. And maybe your IRS man while your at it.

    W&N is a damn retard whose too overly emotional to access anything going on. He wants to call anyone who believes in human nature, er, excuse me, conspiracies, a “mangina,” merely because most people who happen to study conspiracy happen to be manginas, that’s like saying “well, Hitler said 2+2=4, therefore, 2+2 can’t =4 because Hitler said it and he’s an evil son of a bitch.”

    • Nomad, the problem is that most people don’t ask the right questions, as they’re trained to conform and be compliant. I think it was Albert Einstein who said that education is what remains when someone forgets all that they learned in school. So when someone says something which deviates too far from the “official narrative”, the conditioning of people kicks in and they just write the person off as “a whackjob”.

      Sadly the whole thing applies to gender issues as well. PMAFT was on the right track with his piece “Tradcons let feminists define their reality” but the issue runs deeper than that.

      Just as people need to start asking questions when someone raises a “conspiracy theory”, so too do people need to start asking deeper questions of “what was the train of reasoning which led feminists to this conclusion” and identifying exactly at what point their train of reasoning became a fallacy.

      It’s not enough to spot lies the; we need to get good at spotting the truth in the lie, separate truth from lie and then see just what the entirety of that truth is and what revelations it leads us too. After all every convincing lie requires an element of truth and to reject a convincing lie in its entirety is just as much a deception as to completely accept it – in both cases, the truth is rejected.

      To bring this full circle, that is a principle which applies to every aspect of politics and possible propaganda in life.

  10. White and Nerdy was right about manginas in the online truth movement, but wrong about the existence of conspiracies in general. The war on men is a conspiracy, and the mainstream truth movement is CIA-funded, cointelpro. Which is why almost all of the ms truth movement gurus are promoting matriarchy and this myth of “the big bad evil patriarchy oppressing women.” Me and some other no name guys online began blowing the whistle on this shit, THEN Alex Jones picks it up and puts spin on it (counter intelligence)…. One has to be a total fucking fag and a pussy to put moral faith in politicians, beaurocrats, bankers, and corporations to actually do the right thing, rather than “the right thing” for their pockets. Some folks are either gluttons for punishment or they have severe gated community syndrome.

  11. Of coarse, I’m sure W&N would try to spin shit and put words in my mouth to make me say things I never said, to give himself an edge debate-wise. I seriously think he might be an agent paid to mislead people, as an attempt to keep people from putting both red pills (conspiracy+war on men) together.

    • Most anti-gamers like w&n or omegavirginrevolt seem to be paid shills, they use the same debating tactics as the average hired online corporate troll

      ie. repetitive, refusal to debate, repeating the same thing over & over again when disproved -broken record technique, name calling & resorting to legal threats when he’s out debated

      Rinse & repeat the same obvious technique on every blog until they get banned

      I always find it suspicious when guys like omegavirginrevolt, spend so much time attacking movements by men ie PUA & the manosphere, while claiming to support men

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