Jun 232010
 

Robbie Mcweisal wrote :

I just want to point out something here. Hestia has avoided talking in sexually explicit terms, she has obeyed the tenets of her religion in regards to sexual prohibitions, yet not even once has she ever been guilty of bible thumping. She doesn’t feel the need to publicly discuss what her favorite sex position, like Kathy does, yet she’s demonized for linking to a dudes site that has a couple of porn pics up there. Okay one more thing let’s just look at Kathy’s contribution to the online men’s movement…..NADA! Now let’s look at Hestia’s contribution, It’s substantial and much appreciated by MEN (as opposed to women). Cecilia on the other hand has had multiple relationships, god knows how much premarital sex, yet her loyal gabble of Catholics (including Kathy) do absolutely nothing but preach, moralize and talk about fucking their wives/husbands. Notice the difference. All I’ve ever heard Cecilia speak about is we need patriarchy because men are pathetic and unattractive without it. I say arrange the logs and kindling around the stake gentlemen, there’s a few more witches to be burned. The more I look the more I’m convinced that women must be even more discriminated against in this so called “movement”. Just look at this ridiculous shit they come up with. I am no white knight but I cannot stand by and see some annoying sanctimonious, bible thumping ocker try and defame the ONLY decent woman the ENTIRE manosphere. She actually cares about men because their human beings and their suffering, the Catholics and Cecilia’s pulpit only care because men because they no longer get their cunts wet. God riddance to all the worthless hangers on.

Robbie has correctly described Cecilia and her conservative female supremacism.  Just like a feminist Cecilia (who also goes by the name, Alte, occasionally) blames men for when women divorce because the men didn’t turn on their wives enough like she does on Oz Conservative:

I know that Christianity teaches that a woman should be respectful and obedient regardless of whether or not her husband is a chump. But even Christian wives struggle with this, because it goes against our instincts. A Christian man can make his wife’s life much easier if he doesn’t act like a chump. Why torture her unnecessarily?

The problem with this is that no Christian can make this argument.  It goes against Christian doctrine.  The Bible tells women to submit, period, not only if the husband is “not a chump”.  Cecilia is trying to justify female behavior.  How many of these “chumps” would be “chumps” if there were several swords of Damocles over their heads.  Their wives can have them sent to prison within an hour by claiming that she is the victim of DV, or can take away all of a man’s assets and children through divorce, in some cases while claiming the husband sexually abused the kids, etc.  What are these men supposed to reasonably do?  Blaming them for being in a no win situation created by women is out of line.  She’s never even talked about any of these issues since that would require her to stop blaming men for a few minutes.

Someone will say, “But Cecilia is pro-game”.  That’s because she has found a way to turn it around and use game in an anti-male manner.  If a woman becomes pro-game, there’s a 99.9% chance that she has an agenda for using game against men in some way.  Cecilia does this by saying learn game or your wife will divorce you as if the array of anti-male government policies don’t exist.  It’s the same thing we have seen from the so-cons of how they will increase shaming language against men exponentially instead of making marriage desirable for men.

I have said over and over again that the argument between feminists and so called anti-feminists was just how to best hold the whip over men, i.e. how to best extract money and resources from men.  Cecilia has gone over to the right wing side of that argument, marriage, rather than the feminist side, government.  What Cecilia is really afraid of is that women will have neither option.  All of the government financial transfers from men to women (the welfare state) will fall apart but that doesn’t lead to men getting married.  Men will remember how women acted and say, “why bother?”  This is what Cecilia is trying to stop.  Of course all she can go is add more shaming language which guarantees a future in which neither marriage not government will be a viable route for women to extract money and resources from men.

  37 Responses to “A Comment That Needs More Visibility”

  1. “Now let’s look at Hestia’s contribution, It’s substantial and much appreciated by MEN”

    I second that. It most certainly is.

  2. “I have said over and over again that the argument between feminists and so called anti-feminists was just how to best hold the whip over men, i.e. how to best extract money and resources from men. Cecilia has gone over to the right wing side of that argument, marriage, rather than the feminist side, government. What Cecilia is really afraid of is that women will have neither option.”

    Precisely.

    It is only Hestia, and a few others – Dr Helen springs to mind – who are capable of appreciating men, as men, and not as means to a woman’s end, whether that end is feminist or chivalrous.

    • Awww… Et tu Snarky? You wound me, you truly do. Especially as you didn’t even bother to be snarky in our comments. I am so disappointed, as I really expected better from you.

      It’s true that I’m a hopeless flirt and a bit of an exhibitionist, but I do appreciate men as human beings, and not as worthless sex objects. I think they are worthwhile sex objects, which is something completely different.

      If I have been too naughty in that statement, I prefer to take my punishment in the form of spankings. I’m afraid you’ll have to wait behind all of the others who wish to spank me first, including the more butch among the feminists.

      (See, that was appropriately snarky, brazen, and irreverent. Take notes, please.)

  3. ” She doesn’t feel the need to publicly discuss what her favorite sex position, like Kathy does, yet she’s demonized for linking to a dudes site that has a couple of porn pics up there'”

    Heh heh heh heh hehe…Too funny… Nothing wrong with a married woman sharing with like minded married people on a “Traditional Marriage” blog..

    Missionary position or over the couch..? Quite kosher if one is married.
    Of course there are some repressed individuals out there who try to make out such normal stuff to be seedy and “dirty”

    Poor old Hestia is not demonized… In fact she thinks that I hate her and am a stalking cyber troll… because I happen to comment on some of the blogs that she does… and… shock horror do not agree with all that she says. She will jump through hoops for any man that replies to her comments, even when they are downright rude or condescending. She is not so tolerant of the female commenters, however.

    Me I am a straight shooter… I will say what I think, be the commenter male or female.

    Sigh, Hestia has even threatened me with legal action…

    Such puerile bravado and naivety.. She has pluck, I’ll give her that.

    But you hit the nail on the head about porn pic’s though.. Not just a couple either!

    Look ..a naked woman with her legs splayed.. and playing with herself is porn.. pure and simple ..no work of art. Ya see the problem I have here is that I have an unsullied innocent fourteen year old daughter.. I see those porn pics and cringe… Those girls are somebody”s daughter .. sister… girlfriend..

    I feel very strongly about this…

    I find it hard to fathom how a Christian woman could link to such a site and not be bothered that perhaps one of her reader’s children may inadvertantly come across such filth..

    Pontius Pilate comes to mind…

    • “I see those porn pics and cringe… Those girls are somebody”s daughter .. sister… girlfriend..”

      And why on earth would you blame Hestia for that? It’s the responsibility of whoever put them on their blog (I assume we are talking about Troll King). If Hestia links to the blog, it’s because she thinks it has decent content, the pics aside.

      You know, every time you hear of a man dying in war, or at work, or by suicide (4/5 suicides being male), you might want to consider that that is somebody’s brother, son, father, uncle, best friend … I’m sorry but women do not have a monopoly on humanity.

      My question to you is – what the hell are you doing allowing your minor daughter to go online unsupervised?

      Clearly you are aware that the internet contains content unsuitable for children – and the pictures displayed on Troll King’s blog are the very TIP OF THE ICEBERG.

      So, you, as a parent, seem to be failing in your responsibility to monitor your child’s internet use. It’s not Hestia’s duty to raise YOUR daughter. Try doing so yourself rather than relying on strangers on the internet to moderate for your benefit.

      Suffice it to say; I don’t see Hestia, a mother herself, making that kind of mistake with her own daughter.

      Pontius Pilate indeed. Get over yourself.

      • “My question to you is – what the hell are you doing allowing your minor daughter to go online unsupervised?”

        And.. my question to you IS where did I say that I let my daughter go online unsupervised??? Duh!!!

        This is what I said..

        “I find it hard to fathom how a Christian woman could link to such a site and not be bothered that perhaps one of her reader’s children may inadvertantly come across such filth..”

        Hestia’s blog , one would suppose to be quite benign. In fact she posts some very good stuff there. Some unsuspecting Christian mother may even let her daughter read some of Hestia’s posts..

        However if said daughter were to click on TK’s link??

        Get real Snark…

        Stop being such a white knight.. Let Hestia speak for herself.

        I have already told her that I have no respect for her.. My opinion still stands.

        I do however have much respect for TK.. He has never ever pretended to be something he is not.. He has said from the very beginning that his blog is for men only… No wimminzz!!

        Hestia mentioned to me that it was blog ettiquete to link to someone who has linked to you.

        I asked her whether she would link to Lady Raine if LR had linked to her blog..

        No response.

        I must say that I have noticed how Hestia brings out the White Knight in many a guy.. shakes head..

        Women.. don’t trust any of ’em!
        😉

        Even the demure self-righteous ones who are the (self proclaimed) arbiters of all that is good.. and not so good..

      • And one more thing Snark, me old mate..
        You said this:

        “So, you, as a parent, seem to be failing in your responsibility to monitor your child’s internet use. It’s not Hestia’s duty to raise YOUR daughter. Try doing so yourself rather than relying on strangers on the internet to moderate for your benefit.”

        Suffice it to say; I don’t see Hestia, a mother herself, making that kind of mistake with her own daughter.

        Hestia herself said:
        ” My parents did the same with us girls. Once we hit the age of fourteen, we had non-censored internet and library cards as they believed we were old enough to explore, ask questions, and make sense of the world on our own with their guidance always being available.”!

        My own daughter is fourteen and she does not.. DOES NOT !!(do ya hear me?) have unsupervised access to the net at such a young age..
        I believe it is called responsible parenting..!

        • White knighting is defending women because they are women.

          Defending a woman who has earned my respect, when she is subject to repeated vicious and jealous attacks, is not white knighting.

        • “Defending a woman who has earned my respect, when she is subject to repeated vicious and jealous attacks, is not white knighting.”

          Nonsense, Snark. Of course it is white knighting.. You are the knight that is coming to the aid of the poor maligned gun toting redhead .. Gimme a break!

          If she was not a strong woman and could not stand up for herself I could understand.

          Nope.. just not seeing it, mate..

          Vicious and repeated attacks… Bwwhhaaaaaa!
          Ya think?
          You are just as paranoid as Hestia is.

          My advice,; IF YOU CANNOT STAND THE HEAT GET OUTTA THE KITCHEN, EH? :)

          Btw thank you for your humble apology for your baseless accusations and presumptions about my parenting.. attributes… Due no doubt to your lack of comprehension skills. 😀

        • Kathy, you’re not fooling anyone. Nobody’s on your side.

        • I am.

          I have nothing against Hestia, but I would like to note that she has most excellent GirlGame. On the other hand, appealing to misogynists like Globalman has it’s limits in recommending someone for their virtue. I am wary of Hestia because she seems to love all men merely for being men, rather than seeing them as individuals to be judged on their own merit.

          There are some men that I like and some that I don’t, just as I like some women and don’t like others. That is because I see tham all as truly human and complex individuals, rather than stereotyping them as “good” or “evil” by their sex. I do not think women are inherently better than men and need special legal protections from the Big Bad Men, but I also don’t think men are inherently better than women and need special legal protections from the Big Bad Women. Both views are skewed, both from reality and from Christian teachings on Original Sin.

          Our Church teaches that one of the reasons we enter into the sacrament of marriage is because it tends to enhance our better qualities and subdue our worse ones. That would imply that both men and women have positive and negative qualities to be enhanced and subdued.

  4. I am slightly amused by the fact that Alte deleted her entire blog just hours after this post went up.

    • She had actually been talking about deleting her blog for weeks or even months now, because her husband wanted her to. LOL! I guess this was the impetus.

    • Aww… I miss you too FB. You also amuse me, and I like to be entertained.

      At any rate, I continued commenting elsewhere, I just pulled down my blog and am restructuring, rewriting, and reposting it here.

  5. Your topic is most illuminating, for I too was a reader of Alte’s blog, until I discovered she is 180lbs. I know it’s shallow of me to observe this, because we aren’t supposed to judge on physical attributes, skin color, age, etc. However, you have noticed what I also began to notice, which is the derailing of men’s issues into fat women’s issues. It is an attempted merger, actually. I have not wanted to say anything, because as I’ve stated, we aren’t supposed to judge on physical attributes. Nonetheless, a casual observer will note that Nicole also has tended to dominate certain men’s blogs. She too is a large woman, and she has derailed countless blogs dedicated to men’s issues, by picking fights with women who are thinner and prettier than her.

    In summation, it is not entirely unbelievable that these two women have issues of their own, and that they are weight-related. Rather than admit this, it is much easier to side with men, and gang up on good looking women.

    • Tim, when you did find that Alte (aka Cecilia, aka Black and German) weighs 180 lbs? Are you sure?

      It is possible she was misleading her readers, but she consistently (and believably) presented herself as an unusually attractive woman. In fact, she referred constantly to this. Sure, she might have been making it up, but there is no suggestion that she had problems because of poor physical appearance. It was pretty clear that a lot of her problems were caused by her being very attractive and a lot of unwanted male attention.

      Did you read her blog much?

      I thought she was genuinely friendly to men. I took her to be a man-lover, in every sense. She made no secret of her checkered past, but she was struggling to be a good and obedient wife. I think she clearly has a submissive kink, like a lot of women, but I hardly see that as a bad thing from a man’s point of view.

      I liked her, and I am sorry that she has apparently pulled the plug on her blog. I suspect there was a crisis with her husband, he put his foot down, and she is gone. She obeyed her husband’s wishes. Good women (my wife even) will do this sometimes.

      She and Kathy made it clear that they liked being fucked by their husbands. Why is this a problem? They are married Catholic ladies. I would hope they get fucked by their husbands regularly. It is what wives are for. Or have we all forgotten that?

  6. Another thing. If women are to be put in their place, which I believe they should be, the best and most lasting way of doing this is a return to traditional religion. I mean really traditional religion, not the feminised crap that a lot of Christian churches now purvey. It doesn’t have to be Catholicism, but it has to be something where male and female roles are distinguished. Alte pointed out that Christ Himself put women in their place.

    As for “moralising”. If you don’t like the message, don’t listen. No-one is forcing you to read it. But a woman who believes that God Himself wants her to serve and obey her husband is a woman who is likely to make a good wife.

  7. What I found to be deeply offensive about Alte was that she viewed men entirely through the prism of her hypersexual, hypergamous urges. The entire blog seemed to be devoted to analyzing who got her, and her readers cunts wet. The fact that you can understand the many and varied ways in which men are currently suffering and then state your reasons for opposing feminism is because men have become unattractive is denying men their humanity. As for Kathy, I don’t think she’s all that bad, but her attacks on Hestia were uncalled for. Kathy has no importance whatsoever to the manosphere, she’s an annoying, silly woman with a ridiculous holier than thou attitude. That wouldn’t be enough to condemn her but when she tries to slander one of the truly good women then she needs to get roasted. Talking about getting fucked by your husband does nothing whatsoever to help destroy feminism, and if your not interested in trying to help men please get the fuck out of the manosphere. You waltz around the manosphere like it’s a fucking social club, which is not in and of itself a bad thing so long as you don’t get in the way of the people who are doing real work. You are getting in the way Kathy, its unacceptable. Quit getting in the way of FUCK OFF out of the manosphere.

    By the way my real name is not Robbie Mcweisal, I deliberately picked the most dwebbish name I could think of.

    • All I can say Robbie is that “game” works in my marriage. I learned a lot from Cecilia. She let out quite a few female secrets, and I have used them to good effect on my wife. Participating in her blog actually helped me over a rough patch in my marriage.

      Kathy and Cecilia were women I approved of. My being a Catholic like them probably prejudiced me in their favour, but even so, here were two women who wanted to please their husbands, who “knew their place”, and who seemed to enjoy being females.

      Most men, me certainly, want a relationship where they can dominate their wives, and get a lot of hot food and hot sex. That is what I want. And what I get. Partly because I have honed my already good natural “game” with the help of women like Cecilia and Kathy.

      If Kathy were my wife, I would be very happy to put her over a couch and fuck her hard. What man would object to that?

    • “By the way my real name is not Robbie Mcweisal, I deliberately picked the most dwebbish name I could think of. ”

      Robbie Mcweisal White Knight is even better, I reckon.

      It suits you.. 😉

  8. David, like yourself, my impression from reading Alte’s blog was that she was a physically attractive woman. Yep, same woman: B&G, Butterfly Squash, etc. So I was shocked when I was reading Obsidian’s blog a few months ago and she revealed that she was 180lbs. I didn’t say anything; I just sat tight but to make sure I read correctly, I asked her myself the next time I saw her on Obsidian’s blog. She did indeed reply to me that she is 180lbs.

    Now I get that we’re not supposed to rate people on such superficiality, so I’ll try to be as diplomatic as possible. When a woman takes the man’s side on these issues and we find out later that she is obese, I think it’s safe to say that this same woman has no options on the sexual market, and she is probably siding with men because an obese woman can never be on friendly terms with a physically attractive woman. ‘Nicole’ who frequently comments on Roissy’s blog, also fits this description.

    • Tim, I am honestly uncertain. 180 lbs is about 12 stone. I suppose that is large on a woman of, say, 5 foot 4 inches.But I am no expert. I am an Australian, and we don’t talk about women in terms of weight figures, and not in pounds anyway. We now use the metric system.

      Cecilia repeatedly stressed that she was very attractive. Her narrative on this point was internally consistent. I mean, if she was lying, she was a very clever and consistent liar. Short dark hair, not very tall, very large breasts, big eyes, a very light African-American with an Hispanic look. She implied she resembled a couple of famous actresses. She did not sound like my “type” and I never asked her for a photo or even look at pictures of the actresses she mentioned. I regarded her purely as an Internet friend, and I didn’t want to sexualise her. I am a fairly happily married man.

      A couple of remarks some women made on Cecilia’s blog turned me on slightly, but never anything Cecilia wrote herself.

      I wasn’t, honestly, trying to flirt with her or the other women on her blog. I didn’t realise the effect I was having until Cecilia and a few other women said – something that as a man I had never realised – that women can be seriously turned on by the tone of what men write. This was news to me. I have a habit of blunt speech and writing. I am very chauvinistic (always have been), and Cecilia gave me free rein to write exactly how and what I wanted. I let the ladies have “both barrels” as we say here. It was a unique opportunity to say what I have always wanted to say about men, women and feminism.

      Cecilia let me write (and agreed with me!) about all sorts of things that I have always wanted to discuss. I said some quite “outrageous” things, and Cecilia didn’t try to shame me, or even disagree with me.

      • This post is very interesting. I hadn’t realized that my weight is so controversial. I had originally posted my weight in a discussion of the BMI index, which Tim read at Obsidian’s blog.

        For the record, the average American women has these stats:
        BMI: normal
        Waist: 32″
        Height: 5’4″
        Weight: 140 lbs
        Dress size: 14
        Bra size: 34C

        My stats are the following:
        BMI: obese
        Waist: 29″ (0.66 WHR)
        Height 5’4″
        Weight: 170 lbs (Previously 180 lbs, with similar measurements.)
        Dress size: 12
        Bra size: 32H

        I’m phat, not fat. In other words, I have a very exaggerated, curvy figure. I look like I’m wearing a corset, even when I am not. I posted my measurements to make the point that weight can be quite meaningless in judging a woman’s physical attractiveness.

        It is true that I’m not “every man’s type”, but I’m hardly starving for male attention, and am readily identifiable as a fertile female. Which is good enough for me.

    • B&W, Celia or whoever seemed to be a very conceited and vain person. I commented on her blog a couple of times and was surprised by how mean-spirted, condosending and judgemental she was toward me because I didn’t agree with her views. She insulted my intelligence and my love for GOD.

      I also noticed that every blog that she commented on, she went on and on to the point of obession about how beautiful she is. I think that if someone truly has a great quality, it speaks volumes. She seemed to be overcompensating insecurity. I don’t know, her stories and antedotes seemed like tall tales. I didn’t believe them.

      If she is 180 lbs, that’s not as much of an issue as her vain and hateful disposition.

      • *chuckle*

        I am truly enjoying these comments. I hope everyone comes back to read my responses, or I shall be truly disappointed.

        “She insulted my intelligence and my love for GOD.”

        Awww… Did I hurt youw feewings? Some people just can’t take any criticism because it huwts their widdle pwide.

        In other words, you’re still peeved that I pointed out that you’re a Christo-feminist, and not particularly Biblically-literate. Don’t you just hate when that happens?

        “If she is 180 lbs, that’s not as much of an issue as her vain and hateful disposition.”

        Collecting stones to toss around your glass house again, are you? Wasn’t that why I told you off the last time?

        My anecdotes only seem improbable to you because… well, let me be kind and refrain from pointing out the obvious.

        At any rate, you are completely wrong. Whether I am vain is less relevant to my arguments than whether I am fat. If I am truly fat and unnattractive, then my anecdotes are all lies. If I am vain, then I have a truly annoying, sinful trait. That makes me the only person on the planet to be a sinner, renders me completely incapable of telling the truth, and discounts all of my arguments. Or… wait. Nope. That doesn’t make any sense, does it?

        Still haven’t learned to think your way out of a paper bag, have you? That’s alright. Keep trying Tootsie!

        Now go hide somewhere else.

    • “I think it’s safe to say that this same woman has no options on the sexual market, and she is probably siding with men because an obese woman can never be on friendly terms with a physically attractive woman.”

      Good grief. You can’t possibly truly believe that. Not only does it make you sound like a total ass, you are assuming that a woman cannot speak the truth unless she looks like a HB10. Shallow is an understatement.

      Besides, I’m not “siding with men”. It just looks like that to you because our current society is so women-skewed that taking a centrist position looks pro-male. I am not “pro-male”, I am pro-patriarchy. Patriarchal men and women are on my side, and everyone else is on the other side. Capiche?

      I care as little about what men want as I care about what women want. I promote patriarchy because it is a core tenant of my faith and follows Natural Law, not because I want to curry favor with one sex, or the other. If everyone in the whole world hated me for it, I would continue to say what I know to be right. That is what religious faith tends to do to people. I am an unapologetic religious fanatic. I have never tried to hide that, and this post isn’t the only one that has criticized me for it.

      “‘Nicole’ who frequently comments on Roissy’s blog, also fits this description.”

      Since you’re not being “superficial”, I won’t bother to mention that Nicole and I share many things in common:
      — we are both black
      — we are both married mothers
      — we are both in interacial marriages with European men
      — we are both devoutly religious
      — we are/have both lived in countries other than the US
      — we are both intelligent and well-spoken

      Good thing that you noticed all of that. Very astute of you.

  9. Hey Tim,

    That fat Ghost of Nicole character, is she the same Nicole that comments over at the spearhead?

  10. I just happened to click on a link to this site because it was on another person’s blogroll and the blog name intrigued me.

    I am a black woman, about 180 lbs. (Not Cecilia). I am also 5’9″ tall and very curvy. What passes for a sexy figure in the black community is often quite different from what passes for a sexy figure in Hollywood movies and magazines. If I am not mistaken, one of the above commenters mentioned that this Cecilia you speak of is a fair skinned black woman, so this is a relevant point to be made. It is entirely possible that Cecilia is quite attractive.

    Just thought I’d add that. And I think men are great, though I am most enamored with my won husband. I am fairly occupied with pleasing him, so I won’t be a fixture in the manosphere.

    As an aside, I think Hestia is wonderful. She is real and genuine. I’ve been following her since she was in a different part of the blogosphere, and have had communications with her outside of it. She is the real deal.

  11. There are only two women who are regular participants in the manosphere who have both consistently taken a pro-male stance AND not been distractions by talking about what they enjoy doing with their husbands (hey, good on them, but we don’t need to hear it; TMI) or engaging in online footsie / flirting like Alte did; the two women I’m referring to are Hestia and Laura Grace Robins. Pretty much all the rest of them, are worthless groupies, with almost nothing of value to contribute to discussions.

    • I take it then, that Laura Grace Robins is not Laura10 at The Spearhead? Laura10 has said a lot of things I would consider QUESTIONABLE, and I had been under the assumption that they were the same; though, knowing that Laura GR has often been mistaken for other Lauras, I shall give her benefit of the doubt!

      • Oh no, they aren’t the same person. Laura Grace isn’t registered on The Spearhead as far as I know. She’s also around my age and doesn’t yet have children unlike Laura10 who is in her thirties and has two children IIRC.

      • What Hestia said.

        Snark! You’re missed! Why the disappearing act, incl. pulling down your excellent blog?

        • It was something that needed to happen.

          Nothing has been lost.

        • I see. Well, I wish you all the best, in whatever challenges you’re going through (if that’s it), and I hope we still get to see you around, with your valuable contributions to the discussions.

        • No challenges. No worries. Haha.

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